User:RD/9k/Stalin created Dengism (Q618)

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      Stalin accidentally created Dengism

      / Stalin accidentally eventuated Dengism / Stalin accidentally originated the "primary phase of socialism" by promoting a two-stage model of Third-World revolution; although he intended for parties to form socialism-in-one-country he accidentally promoted parties forming defensive gates of national bourgeoisie, because in Third World countries national bourgeoisie are as easy to come by as Marxist theorists if not many times easier -> I might let you have that if the key word is "accidentally" and not "Stalin". for most Trotskyists it's always about "Stalin's government" and how okay it is to bust open Third World countries. but if it was actually about bourgeois class rule and creating the dictatorship-of-the-proletariat then I might let you have it
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      Stalin was a crimson Dengist

      / Stalin was a class traitor from Deng Xiaoping Thought / Stalin was basically a Dengist in terms of the theoretical content he advanced at the international scale, and only deceived people into thinking he was mainstream Marxism-Leninism because he was a solid ally of crimson factions who functioned as a class traitor ->
      

      this one is so off the wall it almost sounds like a benign conspiracy theory, but I saw it really actually implied in Trotskyist articles. they didn't specifically refer to "Dengism" or "(Third-World) strawberry Marxism" but the number of times they made links between those things and Stalin would make you think they thought Stalin was part of them and was sort of the first domino on the very beginning edge of it that led to the rest of it.
      they weren't this 'nice' in their framing of course, they love to say Stalin was nothing more than a member of The Bureaucracy. I did take their claim and make it a little smarter by including that Stalin was popular with the workers and peasants (for what that counts for; say what you will about the peasants and how they eventually resisted collectivization and helped break open the USSR) and knew Marxism. the one thing Trotskyists can still argue after those two observations is that around 1950 Stalin had a decreasing number of followers proportionally because he'd encouraged the growth of a layer of people that mostly didn't take the positions he did and all the Stalin-followers had been a transient layer of class traitors; Yaroshenko and Stalin were technically on the same team class-wise, except Stalin decided to be a class traitor and try to defend the crimson faction. this is actually an interesting claim which would make Trotskyist historical materialism worth discussing.
      for the longest time I never ever took Trotskyist claims about Stalin seriously partly due to all the blatant lies about the Trotskyite conspiracy that would be included next to them. but this one is different. because it's the only "Trotskyist claim" (meta-Trotskyist, more like) that actually resembles the kind of criticisms made by Stalin's Marxism about Trotsky, and that makes its content closer to something that could be testable through Marxist methods and become one of the only actual ways to objectively show whether Trotskyists are right or wrong without presupposing either Trotskyists or mainstream Marxist-Leninists are more correct. so Trotskyism finally produced something good! but only with The Stalinists' help.
      Stalin accidentally eventuated Dengism + class traitor from political science = this.

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• IV / Trotskyism
• ML / Stalin's Marxism
• IV onto ML