User:RD/9k/Offensive jokes are democracy (Q64,76)
Main entry
- Offensive jokes are democracy / Making offensive jokes is democracy / Making offensive jokes is a core and basic form of freedom situated within the level of social reality that everything called democracy stands on and springs out of; this is to imply that freedom is more important than democracy and democracy is actually made of freedom rather than the other way around
Sightings
- Nothing is more democratic than to have the high and mighty lampooned and spoofed (Hustler v. Falwell) ; Hustler Magazine and Larry C. Flynt, Petitioners v. Jerry Falwell [1] [2]
- Trey and I are attracted to that like flies to honey. Oh, that's where the taboo is? [3]
- South Park is freedom of criticism / South Park getting to make a corporate product is people having freedom of speech and criticism [4] -> so many people are praising this incident of South Park challenging Donald Trump but it's like... what kind of Western-Marxism are you people getting at. that's a tiny chunk of the country having the ability to challenge the country's own president while most people can't do anything. a tiny chunk of the country with the ability to surround itself with an army of lawyers gets to challenge the president while regular people have to hide from their own relatives and neighbors and town business owners to avoid being involved in an imminent blood feud between the Republican-party nation and the Democratic-party nation which is not well contained by any form of Liberal-republican law and is barely being contained whatsoever by culture itself and "culturocracy". why does anyone think this is a victory for anything. like, anything. when I see this incident I wanna go into a South Park voice and South-Park the South Park incident.
- South Park is freedom of criticism / South Park just reaffirmed they're leading the fight for real free speech (video title) [5]
- Mimi and Eunice [6] -> yeah, this belongs here. for Nina Paley, being able to make bad jokes about trans women is Freedom.
Humor is government by the people
- Humor is a form of government / (9k) -> I hate this proposition because I know it's not true but I have a very hard time disproving it because I don't even know what's the best concrete place to start.
- Humor is a form of government / (9k) -> my first thoughts here... humor can be used by literally anyone with any point of view, and it can be used to discourage things that are normal or harmless if enough people subjectively decide they're awkward. trans women have been the subject of terrible jokes for decades and decades, all intended to make them go away. "global warming" has also been a very frequent subject of jokes. and people who are told that hateful jokes aren't funny generally don't change their minds ...
humor is about as democratic as impeaching Donald Trump, because it has done about as much to get him out of office. - Humor is not a form of government / I've never watched South Park (Donald Trump) [7]
- If humor is a form of government, then it can outlaw protests / If humor is a form of government, then protesting can be outlawed and suppressed simply by calling frivolous protests "actually stupid" / (9k)
- Humor is a form of government -> to claim that humor is "democratic" seems to be using a definition where "democracy" has nothing to do with giving the people any power to govern each other (so, democracy is not government of the people by the people and for the people), and in fact is almost synonymous with freedom; as people have more and more freedom there is democracy, but when people are actually given the power to govern the people that has nothing to do with democracy.
Offensive jokes are Leninism
- Slavoj Žižek is a Communist / I'm a Communist, not a Socialist (Slavoj Žižek)
- Any philosophy is admirable as long as you're committed to it (Slavoj Žižek) -> one of the most Trotskyist things anyone has ever said that also contained no Marxism.
- Any philosophy is admirable as long as you're committed to it -> there are several ways to read this statement.
A) it is a Trotskyist statement; it says that if Stalin's government doesn't understand Trotskyism it doesn't mean it's actually bad, and it's up to Trotskyists to assemble all the Materialist analysis and winning strategies to show they're actually correct.
B) it is an individualist anarchist statement; it says that all individuals are free to believe whatever they want to as long as they've found a way that nobody will stop them.
C) it is a Liberal-republican statement; it's that old "I'll defend to the death your right to say it" thing, and it says that B is so good that a central government should defend everyone doing it from everyone else doing it. which sure suggests something strange about the nature of Liberal-republicanism.
D) it is a blue-anarchist or agorist statement; it is a statement made by somebody that believes that the sum of non-aggressive activities will more or less create a new informal State that outlaws Liberal-republicanism similar to how Liberal-republicanism or Bolshevism created a State.
I'm strongly guessing that taken in its real-life context it's actually D. - eastern Europeans insulting each other (Žižek) [8] archive.is / eastern Europeans and offensive jokes involving shared nationality ; eastern Europeans and crude jokes -> I believe this happened. but Žižek genuinely doesn't understand that these are nationalities and nationalities are different from racial subpopulations as a matter of scale. racial subpopulations are tied to the sheer scale of survival and people's actual struggle to be effective or ineffective at surviving; it's just an artifact of how small the populations are and that they compete over tiny spatial areas that only one group of people can inhabit. that is not true of Serbia and Croatia. Serbs aren't constantly trying to be the only people who can occupy Croatia, because countries are comically big to be doing that — except when it's Palestine. Existentialists literally don't know the difference between big things and small things.
- Trump is Žižek / Trump making crude jokes does not prove Slavoj Žižek is Donald Trump, but arguably does prove that Trump is Žižek, or, to put it more literally, that the Republican party is a countable instance of blue or brown anarchism whether charcoal anarchists want to believe that is actually considered anarchism or not / Trump making crude jokes does not prove Žižek is a Tory, but does imply that Žižek's premises are incorrect and he is not modeling what he thinks he is; Žižek claimed he was a "Communist" but if Trump does what Žižek says and is against Communism it means that what Žižek believes is not Marxism or Leninism; this is to imply that what Žižek believes is blue anarchism / (9k)
Humor is a form of government + Donald Trump and crude jokes = Trump is Žižek.
Related
Edgeworth's dialectic
/ When The Subject simply is, it compels people to listen / Susie's dialectic (Deltarune) / Bartleby's dialectic (Lacanianism) / technetium rule (new metallic rule) / (9k)
Ideologies or fields
- LR / Liberal-republicanism
- Ag / agorism
- / existentialism
- / Free Culture movement (freed culture)
- / psychoanalysis
- PT / conservative comedy
- / Trotskyite conspiracies
- / meta-Marxism