9k:RD/ Real systems are circular (Q29,23)
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Real systems are circular
/ Real-world collections of objects and processes perpetuate themselves and stamp out the possibility of change, and there is no logical contradiction in saying this ->
something that seems to have upset Rothenberg yet which under the point of view of traditional dialectical materialism or even a simple introduction of relativistic determinism would be wholly unobjectionable.
this proposition leans toward Badiou's concept that change must be brought through separations. but there's a complicated relationship between them. I don't want to unpack that in full right now. in short: Rothenberg and Deleuze's concept of unknown information bubbling up would make it no problem for systems to be circular; they've created a model where change is incomprehensible through models, so why would it bother them when change is incomprehensible through models? if they were sensible, they'd just open themselves up to the notion of a "hidden-variable" theory. and let it fail if it fails or succeed if it succeeds, let it be statistical and not-exact-to-every-individual-event-in-the-universe, but let it try to have a hypothesis.
Related
- hidden variable theories (quantum mechanics) -> these are somewhat forbidden in the natural sciences, but at the scale of human populations it seems ridiculous to not entertain them.
- A proper economic theory must respect the idea that the rules of the undetermined are themselves undetermined (Yanis Varoufakis) [1] / Scientific knowledge of the workings of the capitalist economy and the development of a practice based on that knowledge are impossible (WSWS) / (9k)
- Postmodernism is the status of Liberal-republicans not having a coherent narrative of Communist parties as much as it is the other way around, or more so -> this came up while writing "north-letter". I think it's very relevant here.
is this violet? it strikes me as something I'd say only after I figured out that I didn't have a coherent 'narrative' of Trotskyism myself. I think this one is orange. - Postmodernism is nothing more than a crisis of revolutionary leadership -> this phrase Trotskyists say has become a funny 'brain meme' to me that I've started throwing into Items ironically. not in the old way I'd do that kind of thing though where I am trying to say anything bad about Trotskyists. it's just a matter of, why are we still talking about this? doesn't this phrase literally define itself as something that should have been solved a long time ago? there's a certain irony in there. so, yeah. wildly overusing the phrase 'crisis of revolutionary leadership' is my new joke. I think it fits here, because it's like, 2/3 of the world is totally trying to deny Marxism and basically refusing to understand the world at all. that's a very severe "crisis of Leninism", when you don't even have any. and the other 1/3 or so of people on earth is trying to some extent to understand reality and understand Marxism, but nobody really gets it, so nobody is ready to lead the world to better understandings and unify people around them toward some kind of big movement that could carry international permanent revolution. Liberal-republicanism and Trotskyism are each having their own 'crisis of Trotskyism' and that's kind of all postmodernism really is. it's just a bizarre interregnum until everybody settles onto a new meta-Marxism that makes the postmodern period look utterly silly.
Ideologies or fields
- / existential materialism