9k:RD/ Feuerbach and Deltarune (Q618)
Main entries
- Deltarune and Feuerbach / Feuerbach and Deltarune
Motifs or claims (Essence of Christianity)
- Essence of Christianity (Feuerbach) [1] [2] [3] / (9k)
- making the will of humanity objective
- God is hidden sorrow / Nature listens not to the plaints of man. Hence man turns away from all visible objects. He turns within, that he may find audience for his griefs. Here he utters his oppressive secrets; he gives vent to his stifled sighs. This uttered sorrow of the soul is God, a tear of love shed in deepest concealment over human misery / the concerns of his heart made objects of the independent, omnipotent absolute being [4] / (9k) ->
... and this sounds like Feuerbach made a Deltarune theory.
this describes, like, exactly what I think is going on. magic and adventure are both vaguely connected to pain. you can get to the Dark World by "turning away from all visible objects". but you get to the Titan world below it by turning fully inward and diving inside your own pain. "god" is the player, so like, at some times you can replace the concept of god with the concept of RPG quests. in that you can replace the Dark World itself with god, or the Titan world. the Titan world is a 'tear of love' apparently, that could not come out. "God is pure feeling made objective" — like the Dark World and Titan world are psychology made into a world.
...my memory of this is faint, but I half remember Flowey saying something like "I will become a god". is that.... relevant? wait no, yeah, Flowey was the one abusing the word 'love' to mean level of violence. the monsters all knew what it meant due to some kind of dream logic but he's the first to say it. so his tear of love becomes level of violence? I guess. he has to absorb all the monster souls to become his most powerful form, so... is that fight even 'real'. or is it going on inside the heart-shaped objects somehow. there is something weird going on with Flowey.
so the key to creating worlds in Deltarune is... your deepest wishes rising to the level of "god", which means either the realm of pain or the realm of RPG worlds. the characters notice that Dark Worlds are this inner realm made of their wishes, and then they get the bright idea that their world itself is an inner realm made of wishes, and find the way to cut through their inner thoughts to the outside to become in control of their overall world. this is the significance of Spamton "reaching heaven" — it's not talking about Spamton literally getting to the Light World, it's hinting at the concept of characters in the Light World reaching through to take control of the Light World without literally rising out of it. this was created as a method to banish the Angel because if they have control of their world that's all heaven is and they have heaven in their hands. I guess that might be theoretically possible for the Darkners too, to take control of 'heaven' without leaving the Dark World. which would be weird, it would be like, Ralsei being a piece of paper or whatever that is just able to talk now and function in either his world or the higher world; I don't actually see any problem there with all objects having to be alive because I think it would only happen to major characters with a lot of meaning placed on them anyway, and the others would fade away.
if Gaster is "upset" at Dess it would be because Dess tried to take the place of Gaster first before he turned around and did the same to her. - The Christian made the requirements of human feeling the absolute powers and laws of the world, created in prayer an absolute identity of the subjective and objective, but recognised man and universal feeling only under the limitation of belief in Christ / The heart's need is absolute necessity, the fate of the world / Prayer alters the course of Nature; it determines God / (9k) -> ... another quote that I swear ended up in Deltarune. the 'heart' has power over the fate of the world (there we have it) because when the need of one 'heart' matches the needs of all it becomes absolute necessity
- Prayer is the self-division of man into two beings — a dialogue of man with his heart / The struggling heart bursts the barrier of the closed lips / (9k) -> do I even need to say anything
oh wait I do, I need to say that "The Barrier" is a psychological barrier between man and God or the realm of pain. - Social prayer is more effectual than isolated prayer. What we are unable to do alone we are able to do with others. A sense of solitude is the sense of limitation; a sense of community is the sense of freedom (the lack of limitation) / Freedom is the lack of limitation in the sense of limited capabilities / (9k) -> well there's a definition of Freedom for the surely very tall pile. ...
Motifs or claims (Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right)
- A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right (Marx 1843) [5]
- man, who has only found the reflection of himself in the fantastic reality of heaven, where he sought a super-man / Kris sees the player's reflection where the Angel should be (generic) -> it's probably just me that every other time I read Marxist texts I start hearing Deltarune in them. I know Toby Fox only read Marxist texts about Materialism... why is language like this.....
- an inverted world / this state and this society produce ... an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world -> the Dark Worlds. objects like the starry trees are literally color-inverted, but this applies the other way too. the Dark Worlds can only exist within an arrangement of physical objects that creates that specific consciousness or narrative perspective of that specific story being "the explanation" of those objects. oh god that's sounding like postmodernism, oh no. narratives are never real because only breaking through narratives can be real! nope. the great problem of Dark Worlds is revealed in Chapter 5, which is that their condition of being self-contained leaves them competing with each other, and that competition is unnecessary. implying that the way to stop sealing Dark Worlds and taking agency away from Darkners is to join all the Dark Worlds together into one narrative. Deltarune Chapter 5 is one of the most accidentally Trotskyist videogames I have ever seen in my life.
Related
- Auldernet -> unfinished fanworks are exactly the kind of thing I lean toward "you shouldn't code that onto its own number", but this is really starting to need a sense on some other Item just so it can be put in the Topics and Related sections of 9k pages
Ideologies or fields
- / early Marxism
- / Marx
- / electic Materialism
- / Materialism (Feuerbach)
- / Deltarune
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