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Trauma[edit]

  1. The Titans are hiding something / Guardian means the Titans are guarding the truth, which means they're hiding something -> I do think this is at least technically true.
  2. Kris parses Ribbick as trauma / Kris parses the stain on the couch as traumatic / Ribbick, the stain on the couch, is connected to the statement that "you can't wash it all away" -> explanation for why Ribbick opens a gateway to find the Forgotten Man which involves "holding your breath"
  3. The Dark World intruding into the computer lab is a metaphor for Kris' trauma piercing through daily life -> you can't see the Roaring Knight yet, which feels like a much clearer manifestation of this, and yet, the Dark Fountain is being awfully intrusive when neither of them quite exactly want to find it just yet.
  4. Noelle's pipis represented a trauma / Noelle's pipis pet left home due to happiness because it represents a repressed "secret", as we are told in the Tenna scene in Chapter 3 -> this is why it left home due to happiness. as a metaphor, the secret needed therapy, but then it was able to leave
  5. John Mantle is a burnt pizza box / John Mantle is the haunting memory of a burnt pizza box -> I think this is very likely. the big question to ask, then, is what is so significant about the buried pizza box that Kris keeps remembering it? why is it so significant that even when it's been buried in the Dark World pronounced Shawm still brings it up and says Kris is going to need to find it and turn it into the Shadow Mantle? that burning face must be really important, and there has to be a reason it's useful for either defending against or destroying The Knight.
  6. John Mantle was born when Kris made a terrible joke that December was dead and Noelle was traumatized -> follows claim: the Roaring Knight is a repressed memory of Dess, not the real Dess
  7. Dess is "lost" because somebody beat her up, in some figurative sense -> I think this is more likely to be what happens in one of the endings of Deltarune than what already happened: beat up The Knight once you finally have access to the core of it instead of the outside, and Dess can never be recovered. I do think it's reasonable to think "lost" is significant and meant to be foreshadowing something.
  8. pronounced 617. (S2)pronounced (S2): Ralsei would overcome the final tragedy with kindness (Deltarune) 1-1-1
  9. There is one choice: killing The Knight / There is one real decision in Deltarune: killing The Knight / There will be exactly one actual choice to kill or spare in Deltarune, and it will be the reflected memory of December -> it's the Shadow Mantle and the Titan fight that are making me think this. Deltarune is in some ways very similar to In Stars and Time, with this big traumatized boss you fight (the king) while it's really the protagonist's psychological issues that turn out to be the biggest problem in the end. it's also very credible for there to be a game with an overall gloomy atmosphere that ends in exactly one choice if you look at OneShot
  10. The thorn incident foreshadows the ending / The thorn incident in Chapter 4 foreshadows the exact ending of the Weird Route, which may get even more disturbing as it goes back from reality to abstract mind-worlds but will only be more of the same thing -> if the pizza box is directly connected to Dess, I have little doubt this would then be true.
  11. The Knight's pronouns
  12. The forgotten "man" is Dess (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  13. The Dess Gumball machine is just Gaster's door (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1

Dark Fountains[edit]

Ralsei[edit]

  1. Ralsei and Flowey share themes (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  2. Ralsei is the green crayon (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  3. Ralsei is a drawing (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  4. Ralsei is Kris' horned headband (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  5. Ralsei is Asriel's dust (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  6. Ralsei is Asriel's shed fur (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  7. Ralsei is Kris' shadow (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  8. Ralsei is in all fiction (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1

Misc[edit]

  1. The level above the Light World is The Angel's Heaven (Deltarune) 1-1-1
  2. pronounced 617. (S2)pronounced (S2): The best ending is between the normal and weird routes (Deltarune) 1-1-1
  3. Carol is using the Red Soul to control Kris (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  4. Mancountry is where humans fled to in Deltarune (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
  1. Deltarune has only one ending
  2. Deltarune has multiple endings
  3. Deltarune has only one ending... because the Weird Route doesn't end
  4. Deltarune has only one ending... because it doesn't end at all without the true ending -> this would explain why toby fox believed some people might find the game disappointing. the only thing clichéd about Deltarune would be that it has one ending, and the ending is the best way things could happen. of course, people didn't hate that same thing being basically the case in Undertale, so they probably wouldn't care.
  5. Deltarune has a unique ending for playing the chapters out of order / The single ending of Deltarune will come from playing the chapters out of order -> the egg man really focused on the notion of "in any order at all". what if you used the eggs to rearrange the chapters into the order he said instead of from 1 to 7? my prediction is that the single ending of Deltarune happens only when you do this and otherwise the story simply terminates rather than ends. it doesn't take Noelle to creepypasta the story, Kris already creepypasta'd the story before the game booted up by endlessly avoiding the major conflicts of the story. kind of funny how fictional stories totally revolve around single characters for the world to even exist, isn't it? that's what I think is going on. the story revolving around three teenagers is a bit of silliness, a bit of book logic, but if they don't play their part then the story doesn't end and the world tears to pieces before the story actually ends. that makes a lot of sense as a way a dream could end; any number of people have had dreams that ended before the "story" inside ended. it's actually one of the more common ways for things to end — we've all had that one disappointing VHS tape that didn't catch the end of a TV show or movie, or in more recent times, maybe a video that was playing when the phone totally shut off.
  6. The Knight is left-handed -> this is at best rather ambiguous. it's easy to argue The Knight is right-handed, depending on which actions you believe take more motor control. the sword is held in The Knight's left hand. the snow attack comes from the right hand. the sword slashes come from the right hand. so... there is more evidence the Knight is right-handed. the only counterpoint is if sprite directions don't matter in Deltarune and characters are casually flipped to the point of using both hands. I'm not sure if that's true or false.
  7. Dess is not the same entity as The Knight -> not mutually exclusive with the statement "The Knight is Dess". baby Trunks is not adult Trunks on the other timeline. Kris is never Chara on the Deltarune timeline, even if they are in Undertale. likewise The Knight can be a memory of Dess without actually being made of dust or anything
  8. Dess and Gaster are the same person -> impossible with most models, only likely to be true if the forgotten man is Dess. but if that's true, it would explain a lot of other things.
  9. power (Deltarune)
  10. The plugs are peons because Queen is drawing power out of them -> this is definitely a double-meaning pun, because it wouldn't make as much sense literally without the word power
  11. The snowman is a metaphor for Dess -> you can take a piece of it out of the Underground, but it won't be the whole thing.
  12. "there is no sin or confession in our religion"
  13. Deltarune's religion promises no afterlife / Deltarune's religion does not promise an afterlife
  14. Gerson becoming a statue was a metaphor -> think about it. Darkners that aren't part of the current "game" (very Wittgensteinian use of the word game) turn into statues. Susie tried to restart the Dark World to recreate Gerson, but she got a statue. what if these are metaphorically the same thing, even though they shouldn't be literally the same thing? Gerson may be some kind of non-explicit foreshadowing of what is going to happen to everyone in Deltarune. the fact he's dead is a little bit of thematic seasoning hinting to us what Goner means without saying it out loud. everyone in Deltarune can cease to be... they think this only means dying and being buried, but there's actually more to it than that. there's being dead, but there's also being a Goner. all dead monsters eventually become Goners, but all currently alive monsters can also become Goners. monsters and humans become Goners when the world dies, whether they are currently dead or not. it also might be possible to become a Goner by slipping out of the game world into some other game world, because somehow that takes away the rules (stage magic?) that makes the characters exist. creating a new Dark World can revive the dead, but it can't revive Goners. that's what Susie's fountain means, that Gerson metaphorically became a Goner because he was in the wrong fountain even if literally he would become possible in the right fountain. the Gerson incident is important because it gives the bigger picture — even if Susie and Kris have hope in the moment, the future is much scarier and they're going to have to realize that.
    thought 2: "no sin or confession in our religion" wasn't just a funny joke. it was hinting at a third possible fact: the Deltarune religion contains no afterlife, and everyone is horrified to eventually discover this contradiction.
  15. We mustn't know Kris made Wingdings / Kris' name was censored to hide Gaster lore / The name Kris had to be censored out of the art book because Kris is the name of the creator of Wingdings and fans would figure out that the name Kris was intended to be connected to Gaster
  16. Closing all Dark Fountains would cause Lightners to become disembodied minds -> this is following from the claim that the Dark Worlds specifically represent a collective mind and the interaction between mind and reality. if the Dark Worlds' are Kris and Noelle's mind, what even happens if you close them? did December turn into The Knight due to closing all the Dark Worlds, maybe while she was still inside one?
  17. When Susie sees the blank prophecy, she sees a weird eldritch counterpart of the player created by the darkness that separates her from toby fox's world -> this is how the Dark Worlds work. every object is reflected into the Dark World as some weird thing created by Lightner minds and the Darkness that can only be seen inside the Dark World. what if the Lightners are seeing the same thing happening to the Angel? this doesn't totally exclude the prophecy also making a joke about the reflection. Ralsei says the reflection is what the Angel really looks like and Susie is like, is that really true? but it's not true exactly because she can only see the Light World version of the Angel. thus Ralsei saying it is is a joke, although it's also technically true.
  18. December Holiday is an adopted human -> I kinda like this theory because we don't really have strong evidence she isn't. Dess has never been shown to players. it would make Noelle make more sense, because maybe it would be more appealing to have a monster child if they only have an adopted one. the Holiday family would mirror the Dreemurr family. I don't really see why this couldn't be true. the Roaring Knight having antlers and being some kind of apparent psychological projection of guilt about losing Dess is the only real reason to think that Dess had antlers. but Kris was wearing a horned headband. how do we know Dess didn't do that too
  19. The Vessel will have Frisk's palette / When the Vessel reaches the Light World it will look like Frisk -> this is the other interpretation of there being two characters at the start of both games. Gaster's very suspicious plan was to create Frisk when they were not supposed to exist. point number two for this: in Undertale Frisk is shaped by the story, and on the genocide route somebody narrates much darker things. if Frisk was always shaped by player input. wouldn't it make a lot of sense if in Deltarune Frisk is replaced by the Vessel?
  20. The Vessel discarded itself to get away from the Angel -> not the first thing anyone would think of, but a funny concept. if Goners can talk in Undertale, hey, why not? it's also believable that something that looks like Kris, who has resisted the Angel and has constantly been connected to statements about death (probably just to heavily hint that Kris is Chara), would try to stop existing. if Kris resists, why would the Vessel be a proper vessel and obey either? there probably is something to the fact that there are two similar main characters at the start of both Undertale and Deltarune but each time one of them is gone.
  21. The Weird Route existed prior to the main route / The Weird Route is the original prophecy
  22. Dark Fountains are created when a Lightner opens a wound in the earth
  23. Dark Fountains are created when a Lightner cracks open the limited box of reality -> combines claims: blank void outside of reality is fountain of imagination
  24. Kris is the Deltarune version of Frisk
  25. Kris is the Deltarune version of Chara -> if you have the interpretation that "Chara" is a placeholder string and "true name" is a joke, seems kind of obvious

Joke theories[edit]

  1. pronounced 617. (S2)pronounced (S2): December changed her name to Noelle (Deltarune) 1-1-1
  2. The eggs are a metaphor for gender (proposed; A) 1-1-1
  3. Dess is not female (proposed; A) 1-1-1

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