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  1. entryism

    / entrism / entering bourgeois parties / infiltrating organizations that are or claim to be "socialist" -> the process of people entering existing organizations to try to 'get involved in something' while themselves actually belonging to what would be a different organization or party if it were currently functional.

    not the same thing as a Trotskyite conspiracy, although conceptually related. entryism usually applies to Liberal-republican or "social-democratic" organizations.
    entryism + early Trotskyism = Trotskyite conspiracy (any time or place).

  2. entryism / entrism -> so I apparently have a quirk of often referring to entryism as "anarchism" or "Gramscianism" (or sometimes "Existentialism") mostly because those movements have a terrible propensity to vulgarize into generic entryism. I don't think I regret that 'mistake', for this specific reason: often when people are first learning about politics generic entryism really is one of the first things you'll see, and it can be hard to go from that observation to meaningful lessons about how things work if you aren't looking for explanations for where entryism materially comes from or what greater historical processes it's part of. so. I honestly think dissecting entryism was a good idea, I just did it a bit wrong because back in the 'MDem 3' era I had hardly any idea what I was doing, when people are just getting started out nobody does really.
    looking back at that time, it's interesting to now be able to catch exactly what kinds of biases the violet-Marxist method realistically has. every form of Marxism has slight biases toward what it will try to find in everything: Trotskyism tries to find 'the Stalinist bureaucracy', Hoxhaism went through a weird phase of blaming everything on 'the Trotskyites', Stalin's Marxism has a minute bias toward all other countries outside its home country where the USSR would be suspicious of United States secret operations everywhere and crimson-aligned parties in the United States today are biased against China or North Korea having any legitimacy. Althusser's articles are weirdly obsessed with this purported process of corporations programming people not to resist that Western-Marxists call "ideology". and violet Marxism, swinging all the way to the other end, seems to be slightly biased toward thinking everything has underlying material objects or processes that may or may not be there, picking up "mirages of Gramscian movements". I honestly don't think that's a bad bias to have. I mean, sometimes you actually find underlying processes, and it is possible to take a wrong hypothesis and tear it apart to be left with only the underlying material explanations of things that actually make sense. I think swatch analysis has been relatively successful in that it's gradually focused in toward the class character of every philosophy and turned each of the swatches that initially meant nothing into links to specific classes. you still get odd hiccups in the analysis where any two movements made of the same class layouts start to look like they're the exact same ideology, but that was a potential problem within Marxist methods from the beginning; Marx's text The German Ideology could start to look a little unbelievable if you were an academic and knew all the fine-grained distinctions that supposedly divide different philosophies from each other. meta-Marxism is a little like a solar-lunar calendar: it combines two different things, second-order logic as an external model of Idealist reasoning that can give an approximate definition of color swatches starting from nothing, and a rather strict Materialist analysis of classes and object-antagonisms, and those two things occasionally overlap a little oddly but overall when put together make the whole thing a little easier to keep track of. Materialist analysis is like the solar orbit, it's the exact number at the bottom that is very precise but hard to follow, second-order logic is like the lunar orbit, it creates a neat division between time periods (in its case physical 'historical periods' made of groups of people) but it will have tiny discrepancies with the solar orbit that occasionally have to be corrected.

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  • A / anarchism
  • W / Gramscianism
  • LR / Liberal-republicanism