9k:RD/ postmodern philosophy (Q51,85)
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- postmodern philosophy / postmodernism (philosophy; not art) -> this is the entry for the actual thing, not the concept being used as a pejorative. you should have some sort of evidence that something bases itself on other things that identify themselves as postmodernism for it to qualify as this
"postmodernity"
- The postmodern period is partly defined by the US Civil Rights movement [1] -> that feels really incomplete to me. it doesn't explain the aggressive and doubled-down anticommunism as part of it, which is one of its defining features to me versus what things were like in 1920.
- The only thing you have to do to stop postmodernism is act / The only thing you have to do to stop the postmodern period is act (organize, touch grass; anarchism) -> Existentialist video tried to claim that the reason everyone is paralyzed is simply that they "envy others" — there's the tent of freedom poles again — "get lost in information and thought", and "don't act instead of thinking". [2] no. lemme repeat a forbidden proposition title: lynching is a form of direct action. every time one group of people acts for one cause another group of people acts for another cause. every time Trunks tries to take action Cell appears first. the problem is that acting is a dark forest, and genuinely requires strategy to successfully pull off before someone else acts. Marxists argue with each other as a substutite for having actual violent conflicts where Stalin's government kills 100,000 Trotskyites, which historically is what happens if they act. a lot of anarchist activity is almost totally secret from the nearly-surface stuff of forming groups and letting anyone know they exist to the actual secret operations. whatever little thing anarchism achieves it largely manages it because a lot of people don't know anarchism even exists and as they go around claiming nobody is an anarchist or a Communist and there is "only" common-sense center-Liberal anti-racism they act as useful idiots in favor of anarchism. then there's Gramscianism, where people hide inside institutions for decades hoping their mere presence pretending to be conservatives but not actually being them will make change. since around 1970 movements in general have turned into this weird intelligence game where the whole goal is to fool people like this video maker that there are no movements when there actually are. I swear, if you can believe me, that even I don't actually know much of anything about anarchist movements. I am just sitting here like, although I only know scraps about the generalized shapes of them, is it dangerous to tell people movements don't not exist, or not? the only way to break out of that is to solve movements so that they can actually defend themselves, and not just for a month or a year, but for decades against the forever cold war.
- Liberal-republicanism is postmodern / George Washington was a postmodernist -> everybody who isn't already a Marxist would find this really confusing. but here's the thing. if Liberalism is designed to be all political systems, it is definitionally postmodern. people think that there was a particular era of "modernism" and then there was "postmodernism", because they're looking at culture and trying to define kinds of visual expression that they then try to connect back to deeper processes, but they've greatly underestimated how soon postmodernism actually starts within philosophy or politics. postmodernism begins in at least 1776. maybe earlier. believing Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson could exist and get along in the same country is the loose prototype of postmodern philosophies. the general cause of postmodern culture is populations sharding into millions of separate population-societies that all operate separately, and 1776 is about when it begins.
postmodernists
- postmodernist subpopulation -> the motif of a particular group of people who create either postmodern philosophy or postmodern art with the intention to express vague forms of philosophy.
- postmodern art
Postmodern metanarrative
- grand narrative of postmodernism / postmodernist monomyth -> there's no other way to describe it. there's a group of "postmodernists" in general that may create things that don't fully mesh with postmodernism and accidentally make sense, but they aren't truly writing postmodernism itself until they accept the postmodernist grand narrative that ironically declares itself impossible at the same time it attempts to destroy all other republican or hegemonic ideologies.
- Communist version of postmodernism / postmodernism for Communists / (9k)
- Liberal-republicanism is a metanarrative (grand narrative; grand unifying narrative) -> the claim that Liberal-republicanism is a particular stance that orders the world in a particular direction and is not actually neutral. (by itself, this is not a claim that Liberal-republicanism is specifically good or bad, only that it assumes particular required beliefs before it can begin and because of those assumptions it cannot begin from a position of real neutrality.) with as much virulent hostility to Communism as a structuring narrative as there is, I think it's hard to dispute this. nobody who is against Communism can actually be a postmodernist, because every one of them holds a specific agenda that must be advanced and enforced and spread across the world. to me, that's a grand unifying narrative, and there was never really any time where all grand unifying narratives were "defeated".
- was more postmodern / When the Soviet Union dissolved, the world actually became less postmodern rather than more postmodern / When the Soviet Union dissolved, the world actually became more unified by a single metanarrative (Liberal-republican capitalism) rather than less unified by a single metanarrative and more sharded up into several metanarratives -> if postmodernism means anything at all then this is one of the most reasonable and useful interpretations.
it does directly contradict what most postmodern philosophers say, but it also makes more sense.
Related
- My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and postmodernism / (9k)
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