User:RD/9k/Yaroshenkoism (Q22,13)

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2213. 2213

      Yaroshenkoism

      / pseudo-Marxist model that relations of production (class territories or industrial structures) are contained inside productive forces instead of productive forces that include physical businesses and chunks of workers being contained inside relations of production in a contradictory relationship (1952) -> "late Dengism should be called Yaroshenkoism". [1] [2] oh man I love this. brutal, but I never had a name for this specific aspect of things before. so, unbelievably, I think Yaroshenko is going to start showing up in "Ideology codes" sections as one of the subdivisions of the "DX" code.
      

      I think I can already vaguely start to see what his error is, because if everything was productive forces how would you know what structures they should be arranged into and which ones they shouldn't? Yaroshenko's model seems really mushy and hard to work with. even if it were somehow okay for economics you would never know if a dictatorship of the proletariat was achieved or not. and that isn't acceptable because even if you want to do "red anarchology", the minimum for that to be valid is you should be able to tell when countable areas of capitalism are over.

2213. 2213Yaroshenkoism / treating all bourgeoisie and granting nodes as workers (Yaroshenko) -> so. if the class territories are not a cage around the productive forces, I think that basically implies that the bourgeoisie are workers, doesn't it? part of the reason you have to separate out the relations of production from the productive forces is to make it easier for the connected crimson Social-Philosophical System of workers to break out and create a dictatorship of the proletariat early on. while if you try to say they're the same thing you get some kind of confusing Gramscian account that the bourgeoisie can totally help a proletarian revolution develop and create a workers' state. by the time Yaroshenkoism gets to China it really does feel like what they've done is say the bourgeoisie can liberate China because the bourgeoisie are Basically workers as long as the corporation contains a bunch of workers. although they aren't.

Motifs and claims

618. 618All the relations of production do is limit the development of the productive forces (Yaroshenko)
618. 618Inside a dictatorship-of-the-proletariat, the workers have full control of the relations of production (Yaroshenko) -> that is clearly not true just because of uneven development. the NEP is one example of this, they had to have a phase of constructing free-floating corporations because there were no larger structures and the workers had no way to control those structures as processes.
618. 618Bourgeois political economy and socialist political economy are completely different disciplines because of how (supposedly) workers have turned relations of production into productive forces -> this is totally the kind of thing that creates Deng Xiaoping Thought if you try to do it too early

Claims against

618. 618Yaroshenkoism is not even anarchology because it does not acknowledge material elements of the economy such as commodities, forms of "property" or non-individually-owned structure, and the matter of workers increasingly producing and regions trading workers; understanding the development of these material elements is what allows a region of workers to control transition between different sets of structures or so-called "productive forces", not whatever Yaroshenko thinks gives that control
618. 618Marxisms must not "strawberry" production relations / If strawberry Marxisms present models of parts of society and those particular models are to be called "Marxism" at all, one thing they must not do is try to "un-crimson" and "strawberry" the basic concepts of what productive forces and relations of production are; at the moments a strawberry ideology understands this correctly it is doing Marxism, while at the moments it tries to "strawberry" relations of production it is not doing Marxism

Ideologies or fields

• DX / Yaroshenkoism
• DX / Deng Xiaoping Thought
• ML / mainstream Marxism-Leninism
• MX / meta-Marxism
• ML onto DX
• MX onto DX