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      Idealism forbids itself

      -> I first noticed this with Lacanianism a year or two ago before most of this research started. I was so confused how Lacanians could think both that ideologies and political theories were bad because you can't predict The Subject — political theories are so totalizing and extreme that Lenin saying anything other than that people can believe literally whatever ideology and model of society they want to is bad — and yet put out a political theory of their own whatsoever. it just really didn't seem to me that somebody who could do that without at least stopping and mentioning the contradiction had a brain that was working logically. only after doing a whole lot of surface research into Idealism did I finally understand what exactly I'd uncovered. so here's what the actual problem is. Idealism says that everything has to change because people get better ideas. Idealism also often but not necessarily says either that individual minds or countable cultures are sacred, or alternatively that individual minds are not accessible and not possible to easily operate on. this creates the contradiction that to be an Idealist you have to go around ordering people to change the way they think, but at the same time you necessarily believe that every actual method of changing the way people think is inadequate because all the problems arise deep in people's minds where you can never access them. this seems to be the way it always goes — Idealist Bob says that the United States is screwed up because everyone is racist, he proposes a plan to change it, Idealist Alice shows up and gets upset because Bob's plan to stop racism is prejudiced against disabled people, or said another way by acting in the real world Bob is not accessing the real problems in people's minds. and you repeat this infinitely every time another Idealist movement shows up and looks at other Idealist movements. it's like to believe in Idealism and actually fix anything you'd have to live in Deltarune and jump out of reality into the Dark World where you can stop the Roaring Knight, because if you're in reality you can never access the true source of problems which is the single continuous world formed by everyone's minds. and even there. you look at Deltarune and the Dark Worlds contain contradictions. every time you try to build a model of ideas being the fundamental building block of populations it always comes back to materially separate people and separate groups of people interfering with that and being at least equally as fundamental. I have no idea why people are so determined to make the world into a single mind-plane. is it the core human obsession with culture and poetry? is that it? if so, why is nobody smart enough to realize that every single attempt to unite people against "prejudiced culture" for a "postcolonial culture" could always, mathematically, inevitably, as a repeating pattern reproduce the general shape of prejudice just because it is a group of people and because Gödel's incompleteness theorem? what am I missing? why is it forbidden to replace Idealism with math and physics equations? are mathematical models not ideas? or am I thinking about this too hard and is the answer just that Idealism will always destroy itself because Idealism forbids Idealism.

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