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  1. Gay movements are against the proletariat (pronounced Soviet Union) / Gay movements are against the stability of the workers' state [1] -> the core of this claim is in LGBT+ people forming movements, although when you see it it's not usually phrased that way. the Soviet Union didn't necessarily hate individual gay people, a better word would be "indifferent". but the thing it wasn't ready for was for people to just spontaneously group up for their own interests in a way which had nothing to do with the development of the workers' state — basically, a movement for an identity, instead of people integrating into other more official initiatives. this seems to be the source of a great split between Communism and Anarchism. anarchism loves spontaneous movements for identities and thinks of it as the more of them the better because they will inherently unite with each other. Communism thinks they are inherently suspicious in that they naturally fight against everything around them including each other, although they can sometimes be benign. in certain ways, the Communist position has surprisingly held up, at least up to the moment of outlawing homosexuality. but everyone has been so afraid to admit it's true there has effectively been this gigantic surge in thinly-veiled anarchisms just because this is apparently the more natural-and-inherent-but-wrong way for humans to conceptualize forming society, that it's always "my own friends against my own enemies" or "united nonviolence of shared oppressions" and no greater structure or pattern matters.

Related themes[edit]

Swapping historical materialism for morality[edit]

  1. Nothing should be done unless everyone thinks it wonderful / Do not what others would not "unto" / (9k)
  2. where there is oppression there will be resistance; where dignity and justice are denied they will be sought (incomplete thought) / (9k)
  3. China detained BL writers / (9k)
  4. Outlawing gay marriage is obviously wrong -> the only problem with this statement is "obviously".

Freud[edit]

  1. We know gay marriage is a fact because Jungian repression [2] -> again it's the line of argument that's bad.
  2. seeing Bolshevism through psychoanalysis / seeing workers' states through psychoanalysis
  3. Freudian repression can be used to identify Marxist errors / (9k)

Ideology codes[edit]

  • ML
  • Aa / Jungian psychoanalysis
  • Aa onto ML