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{{ArticleTitle|[S2] People destroy what takes away their lunch - MX onto MZ / Q29,72 |NoContents=y}}
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== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|Prototype]] notes ==

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<li class="field_ML" value="2972" data-tradition="MX onto MZ" data-dimension="S2">[[Ontology:Q2972|People destroy what takes away their lunch]] / People will always tear down something that takes away their lunch  -><br />
here's what I think is the crux of people being anti-science. the incentives are wildly misaligned, thanks to material reality. when you want somebody deciding on what science will be funded, you want someone impartial, who can think clearly about what society as a whole actually needs. in today's world a country of material human beings is generally not able to do this. purely because people are living breathing things, they are busy clumping up into microhierarchies and fighting each other over the last scraps while insulting each other with claims that everyone will get paid as long as they perform the right morality and be-human good and clearly [[Ontology:If society is just a bunch of lived experiences existing, the existiest people will own and rule it|people who aren't succeeding are just not good at being human]] and are subhuman monsters. in that environment, people will not be able to make decisions well. so, back to science. it sure would be great if we elected some impartial experts to decide on what science would get funded, who represented the people but weren't under any serious pressure that could cloud their judgement. it wouldn't be as good if we relied on random suffering people clamoring for the last open job who are upset at society spending stuff on random or arbitrary things irrelevant to them and the improvement of living conditions for the people while they suffer. oh wait. oh no. we invented a system where anyone with enough money can persuade everyone to vote for them, and anybody can vote on things despite the entire existence of government and a shared society and rich people asking them to vote every so often being a leech on their existence they just want gone? well no wonder people are voting for everything ever to be defunded. we've left society in shambles to where most people in the United States don't need any more science to increase their quality of life and the one thing they desperately need is money being allocated into things like free health care and public transit, that the life-granting corporations we bleed for money won't give. no wonder they all want to tear down the whole entire government and eat the rich. they need all the science locked up in publishers being released, not more research being done. they need all the corporations that would use that research allocating people to the right towns and workplaces and giving people full employment. they need every single person who is keeping money out of social programs and yet with the ability to fund everything people need anarchically despite neoliberalism {{em|expropriated}}. they need a republic which is robust against the living, growing chunks of society becoming conflated with individuals who wilfully hoard mountains of sheer Subject-existence and keep any more people from being born and living.<br />
of course, there is another side to this coin which explains exactly why people don't take action. people are organisms. chunks or Filaments are the natural state people form into. they go from individual living, breathing organisms to a socially-linked "Community" of a few living, breathing organisms functioning as one. a colonial organism — in both the figurative physical sense of being joined, and in the charged philosophical Anarchist sense. each chunk primarily wants to live, and it wants to be exactly the way it internally wants to be. so when you do anything to interrupt the independent growth and living of a chunk, it will often get upset. simply looking to a bunch of free-floating animal-like beings to stab a spigot into and bleed to fix society can leave people very confused on what they're actually achieving even if it doesn't make them angry. local chunks are coherent, but society isn't inherently coherent. as well as explaining why social-democracy isn't intuitive to people and it's so easy to assemble desperate people into WASP swarms around their oppressors, this explains exactly why there are Trotskyite conspiracies. "Trotsky", your displaced Marxist theorist, is trying to form a chunk. he's trying to form a chunk of allies to him who want to build a workers' state. this wouldn't necessarily be bad, when Lenin can recruit any number of peasants who are there for their own interests and only half understand Marxism. but his differences with the central party and different mental model of a workers' state form a fence between his chunk and the capable subpopulation of workers. the best he can hope for is that he genuinely assembles a second party full of real Leninists that build a second separate workers' state, although most Trotskyists are not smart enough to figure out this is what their theories are aiming at. but if he doesn't understand what's going on, the easiest thing that can happen is for the biological competition between separate clashing chunks to take over and a bunch of local chunks which just hate the central government to start claiming they support Trotsky, or vice versa. it's not "the bourgeoisie" that takes hold exactly, it's [[Ontology:microhierarchy|the separate chunks]], which only sprout them. if Trotsky just lets the chunks go he can't control them. if he could abolish microhierarchies, he would have a chance. but, of course, that requires him to understand the concept of tiny conflicting chunks joining into a bigger society that he can't just choose not to be a part of, and building socialism-in-one-country before he builds poly-socialism in multiple countries.<br />
negative democracy + the science bureaucracy = People destroy what takes away their lunch.
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<ref name="imt"><cite class="article">What is human nature?</cite>. In <cite>The ABCs of Marxist Philosophy</cite> [video series]. (20 July 2021 / {{TTS|retr.|retrieved}} 28 July 2025). <cite>[[E:Trotskyism|Revolutionary Communist Party]]</cite> ({{TTS|tts=username |@}}[[Philosophical Research:RatingHub/YT/revolutionarycommunists|revolutionarycommunists]]). YouTube. {{YouTube|okbRqkaMomA}}</ref>
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