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{{HueClaim |P=URL| [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/ marxists.org] | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Mach#Empirio-criticism Empirio-criticism] }} | |||
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{{HueClaim|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|prototype]] notes| a text that had textbook status in the Soviet Union. worth annotating entry with important motifs / propositions / Lexemes. }} | |||
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=== Bibliographic information === | === Bibliographic information (any edition) === | ||
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== Motifs == | == Motifs == | ||
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{{ | </li><li {{IS1/ES/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">We can only perceive psychical elements, not physical elements -> the positivist core of empirio-criticism | ||
{{ | </li><li {{IS1/ES/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">Sensation is a fence -> yeah, it's more of a fuzzy boundary between a lawn and a road if it's anything | ||
{{ | </li><li {{IS1/ES/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S">crossing from mental images into physical world | ||
{{ | </li><li {{IS1/ML/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">Experiencing a unicorn doesn't make it real / Regarding the whole world as qualia fails to explain where the world comes from | ||
</ | </li><li {{IS1/ML/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">If the brain was a liver you wouldn't see anything / If the brain is a liver, you won't see anything / If the brain secretes consciousness like the liver secretes bile, that does not explain where external objects come from and how there are any external objects for people to see | ||
</li><li {{IS1/ML/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">People's minds are not a single mind-plane / We don't live in <cite>Deltarune</cite> / Idealism is unworkable because Stalin doesn't perceive reality through Trotsky / Stalin doesn't perceive reality through Trotsky / Vegeta doesn't perceive reality through Goku | |||
</li><li {{IS1/ML/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">If we can only perceive sensations and not object models, there's no way to predict how they will connect -> somehow both a problem in Idealism and fiction | |||
</li><li {{IS1/ES/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">Structuralist linguistics is better than empirio-criticism -> I don't think this is much of a hot take. I think structuralism gets better when you see it specifically as ontology rather than language, but otherwise, yeah, it's literally better | |||
</li><li {{IS1/ES/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S2">Inside the mind sensory information is indistinguishable from signifiers -> what I thought of instantly when Mach talked about "symbols". but somehow that wasn't what he was saying. | |||
</li><li {{IS1/MX/class}} value="618" data-dimension="S">the earth was the experience of a worm / prior to man the earth was the experience of a worm -> this one is violet because this thought experiment would get you all the way to meta-Marxism if you only did it with "the world before mainstream Marxism-Leninism" or "the world before Trotskyism". if Trotsky was only smart enough to be able to see a world where he hadn't been born and realize that for a Marxist theorist people are fungible and the actual world shouldn't be different we wouldn't be in this mess | |||
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Revision as of 22:23, 29 July 2025
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- QID references [Item] 1-1-1
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- color swatch references [Item]
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- case of [Item]
- materialist text
- prototype notes
- a text that had textbook status in the Soviet Union. worth annotating entry with important motifs / propositions / Lexemes.
Bibliographic information (any edition)
- author
- Vladimir Lenin
- title (en)
- Materialism and empirio-criticism
- citation style
- APA
Motifs
- We can only perceive psychical elements, not physical elements -> the positivist core of empirio-criticism
- Sensation is a fence -> yeah, it's more of a fuzzy boundary between a lawn and a road if it's anything
- crossing from mental images into physical world
- Experiencing a unicorn doesn't make it real / Regarding the whole world as qualia fails to explain where the world comes from
- If the brain was a liver you wouldn't see anything / If the brain is a liver, you won't see anything / If the brain secretes consciousness like the liver secretes bile, that does not explain where external objects come from and how there are any external objects for people to see
- People's minds are not a single mind-plane / We don't live in Deltarune / Idealism is unworkable because Stalin doesn't perceive reality through Trotsky / Stalin doesn't perceive reality through Trotsky / Vegeta doesn't perceive reality through Goku
- If we can only perceive sensations and not object models, there's no way to predict how they will connect -> somehow both a problem in Idealism and fiction
- Structuralist linguistics is better than empirio-criticism -> I don't think this is much of a hot take. I think structuralism gets better when you see it specifically as ontology rather than language, but otherwise, yeah, it's literally better
- Inside the mind sensory information is indistinguishable from signifiers -> what I thought of instantly when Mach talked about "symbols". but somehow that wasn't what he was saying.
- the earth was the experience of a worm / prior to man the earth was the experience of a worm -> this one is violet because this thought experiment would get you all the way to meta-Marxism if you only did it with "the world before mainstream Marxism-Leninism" or "the world before Trotskyism". if Trotsky was only smart enough to be able to see a world where he hadn't been born and realize that for a Marxist theorist people are fungible and the actual world shouldn't be different we wouldn't be in this mess
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