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=== <cite>Deltarune</cite> chapters ===
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== Proposed Items (Deltarune) ==
== Proposed Items (Deltarune) ==
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</li><li class="field_fantasy" data-tradition="UTDR" value="618" data-dimension="S2">{{TTS|tts=Rules Card|Rouxls Kaard}} did not create the clock puzzle
</li><li class="field_fantasy" data-tradition="UTDR" value="618" data-dimension="S2">{{TTS|tts=Rules Card|Rouxls Kaard}} did not create the clock puzzle
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S">"stay away from her, you fiend!"  ->  Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.


</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Deltarune's secret death animation actually means that making attacks red makes them more powerful
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Deltarune's secret death animation actually means that making attacks red makes them more powerful
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</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="F2">The shadow mantle is a bulletproof vest / [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dollars Fistful of Dollars] theory  ->  the claim that the Shadow Mantle is a shield used for blocking projectiles in Deltarune's green Soul mode, but the discarded boss doesn't want the player finding it. edit: because it wasn't used by Susie in the green fight, this one is false.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="F2">The shadow mantle is a bulletproof vest / [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dollars Fistful of Dollars] theory  ->  the claim that the Shadow Mantle is a shield used for blocking projectiles in Deltarune's green Soul mode, but the discarded boss doesn't want the player finding it. edit: because it wasn't used by Susie in the green fight, this one is false.


</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Magic glass is diegetic  ->  the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy
</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">What did Ralsei say to Kris?
</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">What did Ralsei say to Kris?
</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Ralsei told Kris the Dark World is an Angel cage  ->  look closely at what Susie did right before Ralsei says this in the prison section. Susie attacks Lancer. given a particular situation she is forced to make Lancer the bad guy and fight him to the death. but if she is in the Dark World when this happens, nobody truly gets hurt even if she kills a Darkner. "so, that's why" we are opening Dark Fountains and fighting these seemingly meaningless antagonists: if we didn't do that, The Angel might take control of Kris and do that to the Light World. in this scenario Kris already knows about the ritual of keeping The Angel contained. they know The Angel's "special containment procedures".
</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Ralsei told Kris the Dark World is an Angel cage  ->  look closely at what Susie did right before Ralsei says this in the prison section. Susie attacks Lancer. given a particular situation she is forced to make Lancer the bad guy and fight him to the death. but if she is in the Dark World when this happens, nobody truly gets hurt even if she kills a Darkner. "so, that's why" we are opening Dark Fountains and fighting these seemingly meaningless antagonists: if we didn't do that, The Angel might take control of Kris and do that to the Light World. in this scenario Kris already knows about the ritual of keeping The Angel contained. they know The Angel's "special containment procedures".
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Toby Fox made Undertale "parasocial" for a reason
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Toby Fox made Undertale "parasocial" for a reason


</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Deltarune is one big Angel cage
</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Dess is merely hiding from the Angel / Dess isn't actually gone, she's hiding from The Angel  ->  if we accept that Deltarune is an Angel cage, then maybe the reason people don't talk about Dess is that they have to keep up the fake narrative she's missing so the player won't know what's actually happening and they can all buy time. by the time Dess actually reaches her goal, the player will feel bad for her instead of seeing her as a threat who set out to defeat and banish them, and might not fight back. alternatively, maybe something like this indeed happened but Dess failed halfway so now Kris has to do the same thing without ever letting the player catch on. it's a weird and funny coincidence that "December" sounds like a [https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Cammy#Juni valid anti-Shadaloo agent name] in the context of <cite>Street Fighter</cite>: June, July, [https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Decapre December]. someone who was once trapped, but now is secretly helping everyone else break out. is that intentional? I have absolutely no idea.
</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Dess is merely hiding from the Angel / Dess isn't actually gone, she's hiding from The Angel  ->  if we accept that Deltarune is an Angel cage, then maybe the reason people don't talk about Dess is that they have to keep up the fake narrative she's missing so the player won't know what's actually happening and they can all buy time. by the time Dess actually reaches her goal, the player will feel bad for her instead of seeing her as a threat who set out to defeat and banish them, and might not fight back. alternatively, maybe something like this indeed happened but Dess failed halfway so now Kris has to do the same thing without ever letting the player catch on. it's a weird and funny coincidence that "December" sounds like a [https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Cammy#Juni valid anti-Shadaloo agent name] in the context of <cite>Street Fighter</cite>: June, July, [https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Decapre December]. someone who was once trapped, but now is secretly helping everyone else break out. is that intentional? I have absolutely no idea.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel form a trinity around the values of Undertale / Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel represent comparing a player's connection to a game to a believer's connection to religion  ->  sounds really out there at first but becomes much more obvious when you've seen Deltarune with its mentions of The Angel. also brings up an interesting contradiction: Asgore is at first presented as some kind of king of demons, but turns out to be more like the god of one religion reviled by someone else's.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel form a trinity around the values of Undertale / Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel represent comparing a player's connection to a game to a believer's connection to religion  ->  sounds really out there at first but becomes much more obvious when you've seen Deltarune with its mentions of The Angel. also brings up an interesting contradiction: Asgore is at first presented as some kind of king of demons, but turns out to be more like the god of one religion reviled by someone else's.
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</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Each of the seven fallen humans represents an act of playing through Undertale  ->  kind of uncontroversial when totally figurative but becomes more important as a literal statement
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Each of the seven fallen humans represents an act of playing through Undertale  ->  kind of uncontroversial when totally figurative but becomes more important as a literal statement
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2"><b class="caps">Chara</b> reincarnated into the seven fallen humans  ->  not sure there is evidence for this but it's definitely an interesting idea
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2"><b class="caps">Chara</b> reincarnated into the seven fallen humans  ->  not sure there is evidence for this but it's definitely an interesting idea
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale monsters exist through an act of stage magic  ->  the claim that the term "magic" refers to a special kind of illusionism which can apply to the creation of fictional works.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The crystals that guided monsters Home are a parallel to shadow crystals  ->  the argument here is that if monsters can use crystals to see, the crystals are bringing light to darkness, so they are doing something vaguely similar to the way Dark Worlds begin in darkness and generate their own kind of light.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Sans was animated from a bone by an act of stage magic / Sans bleeds the blood of the other creature he came from  ->  a better theory than that Sans is Ness. real bones could contain bone marrow if they died very recently, so, a bone leaking blood is only a little silly. the real question is, which reality did the bone come from?
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Light World is an escape from something just as the Dark Worlds are / The Light World represents the idea that the real world is a social construct  ->  I like this one though I have no idea what the point of it would be to Toby Fox. it's similar to the idea of Adventure Time's different realities all springing out of imagination and ending with <b class="caps">Golb</b> — because none of them are technically the most real one anyway, the pillow world isn't exactly fake, it's equally as real or unreal.


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Latest revision as of 01:13, 6 November 2025

Works[edit]

  1. Undertale (2016; pronounced Category)1-1-1
  2. pronounced 76,17. (Z) pronounced (Z): Deltarune (2018-)1-1-1

Proposed Items (Deltarune)[edit]

  1. pronounced Rules Card did not create the clock puzzle
  2. Deltarune's secret death animation actually means that making attacks red makes them more powerful
  3. The shadow mantle is a bulletproof vest / Fistful of Dollars theory -> the claim that the Shadow Mantle is a shield used for blocking projectiles in Deltarune's green Soul mode, but the discarded boss doesn't want the player finding it. edit: because it wasn't used by Susie in the green fight, this one is false.
  4. What did Ralsei say to Kris?
  5. Ralsei told Kris the Dark World is an Angel cage -> look closely at what Susie did right before Ralsei says this in the prison section. Susie attacks Lancer. given a particular situation she is forced to make Lancer the bad guy and fight him to the death. but if she is in the Dark World when this happens, nobody truly gets hurt even if she kills a Darkner. "so, that's why" we are opening Dark Fountains and fighting these seemingly meaningless antagonists: if we didn't do that, The Angel might take control of Kris and do that to the Light World. in this scenario Kris already knows about the ritual of keeping The Angel contained. they know The Angel's "special containment procedures".
  6. Toby Fox made Undertale "parasocial" for a reason
  7. Dess is merely hiding from the Angel / Dess isn't actually gone, she's hiding from The Angel -> if we accept that Deltarune is an Angel cage, then maybe the reason people don't talk about Dess is that they have to keep up the fake narrative she's missing so the player won't know what's actually happening and they can all buy time. by the time Dess actually reaches her goal, the player will feel bad for her instead of seeing her as a threat who set out to defeat and banish them, and might not fight back. alternatively, maybe something like this indeed happened but Dess failed halfway so now Kris has to do the same thing without ever letting the player catch on. it's a weird and funny coincidence that "December" sounds like a valid anti-Shadaloo agent name in the context of Street Fighter: June, July, December. someone who was once trapped, but now is secretly helping everyone else break out. is that intentional? I have absolutely no idea.
  8. Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel form a trinity around the values of Undertale / Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel represent comparing a player's connection to a game to a believer's connection to religion -> sounds really out there at first but becomes much more obvious when you've seen Deltarune with its mentions of The Angel. also brings up an interesting contradiction: Asgore is at first presented as some kind of king of demons, but turns out to be more like the god of one religion reviled by someone else's.
  9. Asriel is the son of the Underground / Asriel is the son or avatar of the abstract Father of the Underground -> The Father would not literally be Asgore in this case even though Asgore has to be there to remind us of the concept of The Father versus The Son.
  10. Each of the seven fallen humans represents an act of playing through Undertale -> kind of uncontroversial when totally figurative but becomes more important as a literal statement
  11. Chara reincarnated into the seven fallen humans -> not sure there is evidence for this but it's definitely an interesting idea

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