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== Core characteristics ==
== Core characteristics ==
=== Main sense ===
<blockquote class="wikitable poem">
<strong>Stalin's Marxism is a valid Marxism, is a form of Leninism</strong>, and could hypothetically be the most correct form of Leninism
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{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L|lang=en| {{E:Q4002}} }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L|lang=en| {{E:Q4002}} | (... [[E:Q4002/PPPA|fuller list of aliases]]) }}<!--
{{HueClaim |EP=PPPA|lang=en| Stalin's Marxism is a form of Leninism, and could hypothetically be the most correct one }}<!--
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{{HueRoster|EP=P34| {{E:Q41,03}} }}  <!-- en: field  Stalin's Marxism -->
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=== Characteristics (sense IV) ===
=== Characteristics (sense {{TTS|tts=Fourth|IV}}) ===
 
<blockquote class="wikitable poem">
Only the corpus of theory that Lenin described circa 1906 is actually Leninism, but Stalin deviated from this earliest form of Leninism, therefore <strong>anything Stalin created is a revisionist Marxism and [[E:Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism|is not Leninism]]</strong>; because Stalin's Marxism is not Leninism the label "Marxism-Leninism" is incorrect
</blockquote>


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{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L|lang=en| {{E:Q4002/IV}} | [[E:Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism]] }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L|lang=en| {{E:Q4002/IV}} }}<!--
{{HueClaim |EP=PPPA|lang=en| He calls it Marxism-Leninism, but it isn't really Leninism | Marxism-Leninism as disputed theory (proposition) | Stalin Thought is a revisionist Leninism | Only the Leninism that Lenin described circa 1906 is actually Leninism, therefore anything Stalin created is not Leninism }}
omitted:  {{HueClaim |EP=PPPA|lang=en| -- }} -->
{{HueRoster|EP=P34| {{E:Q41,04}} }}  <!-- en: field  Trotskyism -->
{{HueRoster|EP=P34| {{E:Q41,04}} }}  <!-- en: field  Trotskyism -->
{{HueRoster|EP=P4| {{E:Q618/IV|foundational assumption in Trotskyism}} [[Category:Trotskyist assumptions ontology]] | {{E:Q618/W|statement that a named Marxism is the only real Marxism}} | {{E:Q618/PT|statement that another ideology is heresy}} }}  <!-- en: sub-case of -->
{{HueRoster|EP=P4| {{E:Q618/IV|foundational assumption in Trotskyism}} [[Category:Trotskyist assumptions ontology]] | {{E:Q618/W|statement that a named Marxism is the only real Marxism}} | {{E:Q618/PT|statement that another ideology is heresy}} }}  <!-- en: sub-case of -->
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{{WaveBuildNone| {{E:Q4002}} | -- | -- }}  <!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? -->
{{WaveBuildNone| {{E:Q4002}} | -- | -- }}  <!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? -->
{{WaveBuildNone| {{E:Q4002/IV}} | -- | -- }}  <!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? -->
{{WaveBuildNone| {{E:Q4002/IV}} | -- | -- }}  <!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? -->
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=== Wavebuilder characterizations ===
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{{WaveBuildNone| {{E:Q4002/IV}} | {{E:Q618/DX|Leninism is for defending Soviet borders}} | {{E:Q4002}} }}  <!-- en: Along With, Produces  The purpose of Leninism is to defend Soviet borders  ?? -->
{{WaveBuildNone| {{E:Q618/IV|Abandon Trotsky and Bolshevism has failed}} | {{E:Q618/IV|Stalin expelled Trotskyists from {{TTS|tts=the party|CPSU|title=Communist Party of the Soviet Union}}}} | {{E:Q4002/IV}} }}  <!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? -->
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=== sense IV ===
=== sense IV ===
<div class="hue">
<!-- [[E:Trotskyism|Trotskyism]] [[E:mainstream Marxism-Leninism|mainstream Marxism-Leninism]] [[E:separable multiplicity|plural]] Marxisms -->


This is the claim within [[E:Trotskyism|Trotskyism]] that [[E:mainstream Marxism-Leninism|mainstream Marxism-Leninism]] is supposedly not either mainstream or Leninism. It rests on the implicit claim that Trotskyism is the only possible content of Leninism, and any "Leninism" which is not equivalent to Trotskyism is thus not a Leninism.
This is the claim within {{dfn|Trotskyism|I=Z1/IV|E=Q4104|class=field_trotsky}} that {{dfn|mainstream Marxism-Leninism|I=Z1/ML|E=Q41,03|class=field_ML}} is supposedly not either mainstream or Leninism. It rests on the implicit claim that Trotskyism is the only possible content of Leninism, and any "Leninism" which is not equivalent to Trotskyism is thus not a Leninism.


This claim is called into question by all the times that Trotsky had differences with Lenin and the two got into arguments. The [[E:Trotsky's trade unions incident|trade unions incident]] of 1920 was one of the more notable of these mistakes: within it, Trotsky presented a garbled understanding of unions while Lenin had to lay out the actual relationship between a Leninist party and the trade unions as a "complex arrangement of pulleys" where wisdom and experts would need to [[Term:filtration|filter into]] the party.<ref name="m" /> If Trotsky did not understand how unions produce a Marxist party as the backbone of a workers' state three years after the Russian revolution, but Lenin did, this is not a good sign for Trotsky's legitimacy as the main theorist of Leninism. It is possible to attempt to argue against this observation from the angle that Trotskyism is a later variation of Leninism attempting to fix it by removing the parts which would produce a "[[E:Pig state]]" even as Lenin left them in. However, if one takes this point of view, it does not achieve the goal of aligning Trotsky with Lenin against Stalin; it would instead leave Lenin and Stalin aligned against Trotsky, meaning that Stalin is still the legitimate theoretical successor to Lenin. This problem only becomes glaringly obvious within a [[E:meta-Marxism|meta-Marxist framework]], where neither Stalin nor Trotsky is taken as the only official Marxism. Within Trotskyism, it is not advantageous to label different schools of Marxism and model how each of them behaves as much as to [[E:Che Guevara got his ideas from Trotsky|support Marxisms that appear to be merging into Trotskyism]] and denounce all other Marxisms and their connected national independence struggles as threats to world revolution. Within mainstream Marxism-Leninism, theorists have been more open to understanding the behavior of Trotskyism than vice versa, even if this was primarily for the purpose of protecting workers' states by catching Trotskyite conspiracies. Stepping outside of Trotskyism, it becomes more obvious that Lenin's period, Stalin's period, and Trotskyist movements are all [[Term:historical period chemistry|material-historical periods]]. To predict the behavior of each of these periods, we should understand them from their internal structure and how this structure interacts with itself. The internal content of Lenin's period and Stalin's period includes experts or "bureaucrats" in both cases, while the internal content of Trotskyism is different.
This claim is called into question by all the times that Trotsky had differences with Lenin and the two got into arguments. The [[E:Trotsky's trade unions incident|trade unions incident]] of 1920 was one of the more notable of these mistakes: within it, Trotsky presented a garbled understanding of unions while Lenin had to lay out the actual relationship between a Leninist party and the trade unions as a "complex arrangement of pulleys" where wisdom and experts would need to [[Term:filtration|filter into]] the party.<ref name="m" /> If Trotsky did not understand how unions produce a Marxist party as the backbone of a workers' state three years after the Russian revolution, but Lenin did, this is not a good sign for Trotsky's legitimacy as the main theorist of Leninism. It is possible to attempt to argue against this observation from the angle that Trotskyism is a later variation of Leninism attempting to fix it by removing the parts which would produce a "[[E:Pig state|Pig state]]" even as Lenin left them in. However, if one takes this point of view, it does not achieve the goal of aligning Trotsky with Lenin against Stalin; it would instead leave Lenin and Stalin aligned against Trotsky, meaning that Stalin is still the legitimate theoretical successor to Lenin. This problem only becomes glaringly obvious within a [[E:meta-Marxism|meta-Marxist framework]], where neither Stalin nor Trotsky is taken as the only official Marxism. Within Trotskyism, it is not advantageous to label different schools of Marxism and model how each of them behaves as much as to [[E:Che Guevara got his ideas from Trotsky|support Marxisms that appear to be merging into Trotskyism]] and denounce all other Marxisms and their connected national independence struggles as threats to world revolution. Within mainstream Marxism-Leninism, theorists have been more open to understanding the behavior of Trotskyism than vice versa, even if this was primarily for the purpose of protecting workers' states by catching Trotskyite conspiracies. Stepping outside of Trotskyism, it becomes more obvious that Lenin's period, Stalin's period, and Trotskyist movements are all [[Term:historical period chemistry|material-historical periods]]. To predict the behavior of each of these periods, we should understand them from their internal structure and how this structure interacts with itself. The internal content of Lenin's period and Stalin's period includes experts or "bureaucrats" in both cases, while the internal content of Trotskyism is different.


Trotsky's claim is not historically accurate and it does not show an understanding of the development of [[E:separable multiplicity|plural]] Marxisms — not even to the advantage of Trotskyism as its own new Marxism. There is no meaningful way to say that this claim is true.
Trotsky's claim is not historically accurate and it does not show an understanding of the development of {{dfn|plural Marxisms|I=S1/MX|E=Q10,000|class=field_mdem}} — not even to the advantage of Trotskyism as its own new Marxism. There is no meaningful way to say that this claim is true.


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== References ==
== References ==



Revision as of 07:45, 10 March 2026

  1. pronounced 4002. (S2)pronounced (ML) (S2): Stalin's Marxism is Leninism1-1-1

Core characteristics

Main sense

Stalin's Marxism is a valid Marxism, is a form of Leninism, and could hypothetically be the most correct form of Leninism

pronounced P: label (en) [string] (L)
pronounced 4002. (S2)pronounced (ML) (S2): Stalin's Marxism is Leninism1-1-1
(... fuller list of aliases)
field, scope, or group [Item]
pronounced 41,03. (Z)pronounced (ML) (Z): mainstream Marxism-Leninism pronounced (ML)1-1-1
sub-case of [Item]
--
case of [Item]
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super-case of [Item]
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Characteristics (sense pronounced Fourth)

Only the corpus of theory that Lenin described circa 1906 is actually Leninism, but Stalin deviated from this earliest form of Leninism, therefore anything Stalin created is a revisionist Marxism and is not Leninism; because Stalin's Marxism is not Leninism the label "Marxism-Leninism" is incorrect

pronounced P: label (en) [string] (L)
pronounced 4002. (F2)pronounced (Fourth) (F2): Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism (IV)1-1-1
field, scope, or group [Item]
pronounced 41,04. (Z)pronounced (Fourth) (Z): Trotskyism (top-level category) pronounced (Fourth)1-1-1

Components

model combines claims
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Wavebuilder combinations

pronounced P: pronounced Wave-builder: forms result [Item]
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along with [Item]
pronounced 4002. (S2)pronounced (ML) (S2): Stalin's Marxism is Leninism1-1-1
forming from [Item]
pronounced 4002. (S2)pronounced (ML) (S2): Stalin's Marxism is Leninism1-1-1
--
--
pronounced P: pronounced Wave-builder: forms result [Item]
--
along with [Item]
pronounced 4002. (F2)pronounced (Fourth) (F2): Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism (IV)1-1-1
forming from [Item]
pronounced 4002. (F2)pronounced (Fourth) (F2): Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism (IV)1-1-1
--
--

Wavebuilder characterizations

pronounced P: pronounced Wave-builder: forms result [Item]
pronounced 4002. (S2)pronounced (ML) (S2): Stalin's Marxism is Leninism1-1-1
along with [Item]
pronounced 4002. (F2)pronounced (Fourth) (F2): Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism (IV)1-1-1
forming from [Item]
pronounced 4002. (F2)pronounced (Fourth) (F2): Stalin's Marxism isn't Leninism (IV)1-1-1
pronounced 618. (S)pronounced (DX) (S): Leninism is for defending Soviet borders (pronounced proposed / DX)1-1-1
pronounced 4002. (S2)pronounced (ML) (S2): Stalin's Marxism is Leninism1-1-1

Usage notes

sense IV

This is the claim within pronounced 41,04. (Z)pronounced (Fourth) (Z): Trotskyism (top-level category) pronounced (Fourth)1-1-1 that pronounced 41,03. (Z)pronounced (ML) (Z): mainstream Marxism-Leninism pronounced (ML)1-1-1 is supposedly not either mainstream or Leninism. It rests on the implicit claim that Trotskyism is the only possible content of Leninism, and any "Leninism" which is not equivalent to Trotskyism is thus not a Leninism.

This claim is called into question by all the times that Trotsky had differences with Lenin and the two got into arguments. The trade unions incident of 1920 was one of the more notable of these mistakes: within it, Trotsky presented a garbled understanding of unions while Lenin had to lay out the actual relationship between a Leninist party and the trade unions as a "complex arrangement of pulleys" where wisdom and experts would need to filter into the party.[1] If Trotsky did not understand how unions produce a Marxist party as the backbone of a workers' state three years after the Russian revolution, but Lenin did, this is not a good sign for Trotsky's legitimacy as the main theorist of Leninism. It is possible to attempt to argue against this observation from the angle that Trotskyism is a later variation of Leninism attempting to fix it by removing the parts which would produce a "Pig state" even as Lenin left them in. However, if one takes this point of view, it does not achieve the goal of aligning Trotsky with Lenin against Stalin; it would instead leave Lenin and Stalin aligned against Trotsky, meaning that Stalin is still the legitimate theoretical successor to Lenin. This problem only becomes glaringly obvious within a meta-Marxist framework, where neither Stalin nor Trotsky is taken as the only official Marxism. Within Trotskyism, it is not advantageous to label different schools of Marxism and model how each of them behaves as much as to support Marxisms that appear to be merging into Trotskyism and denounce all other Marxisms and their connected national independence struggles as threats to world revolution. Within mainstream Marxism-Leninism, theorists have been more open to understanding the behavior of Trotskyism than vice versa, even if this was primarily for the purpose of protecting workers' states by catching Trotskyite conspiracies. Stepping outside of Trotskyism, it becomes more obvious that Lenin's period, Stalin's period, and Trotskyist movements are all material-historical periods. To predict the behavior of each of these periods, we should understand them from their internal structure and how this structure interacts with itself. The internal content of Lenin's period and Stalin's period includes experts or "bureaucrats" in both cases, while the internal content of Trotskyism is different.

Trotsky's claim is not historically accurate and it does not show an understanding of the development of pronounced 10,000. (S)pronounced (meta-) (S): plural Marxisms pronounced (meta-)1-1-1 — not even to the advantage of Trotskyism as its own new Marxism. There is no meaningful way to say that this claim is true.

References

  1. The trade unions, the present situation, and Trotsky's mistakes (Lenin 1920). [1] [Item pending]