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{{li|I=F2/STM|Q=618|Q2=618|h4-rem=}}Unpredictable equals undetermined -> then how does anything {{censor|fucking}} happen??? this man should semi-literally be handed an "F" in physics | {{li|I=F2/STM|Q=618|Q2=618|h4-rem=}}Unpredictable equals undetermined -> then how does anything {{censor|fucking}} happen??? this man should semi-literally be handed an "F" in physics | ||
{{li|I=S2/LR|tradition=|Q=42,91|Q2=4291|h4= Surely Marx imagined determinism }} / Surely, Marx's determinism (dialectical materialism; existential materialism; upreductionism; narrative prediction) was an unacceptable assumption / This determination to have the complete, closed story, or model, the final word, is something I cannot forgive Marx for; it proved responsible for a great deal of error and, more significantly, authoritarianism (Yanis Varoufakis) / ({{9k|RD/Q4291}}) | |||
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|Q=29,23|Q2=2923|h4= Real systems are circular }} / Real-world collections of objects and processes perpetuate themselves and stamp out the possibility of change, and there is no logical contradiction in saying this / ({{9k|RD/Q2923}}) -><br/> | |||
something that seems to have upset Rothenberg yet which under the point of view of traditional dialectical materialism or even a simple introduction of relativistic determinism would be wholly unobjectionable. | |||
{{li|I=S1/MN|tradition=ML onto ES, IV onto ES|Q=618}}initial bourgeois class rule / molecular scale bourgeois class rule (meta-Marxism) / bourgeois class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society; Marxism onto Liberal-republicanism) / ({{9k|RD/Q1920}}) | |||
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Revision as of 09:03, 13 August 2026
Main entry
- The Excessive Subject: A new theory of social change (Rothenberg 2010)
You can't predict the economy!
- Unpredictable equals undetermined / A proper economic theory must respect the idea that the rules of the undetermined are themselves undetermined (Yanis Varoufakis) / Scientific knowledge of the workings of the capitalist economy and the development of a practice based on that knowledge are impossible (WSWS onto Varoufakis) [1] -> shut the
up rothenberg. I know you're not Rothenberg but that's your name now if you go around saying stuff like that.
ok, on the bright side though, if this is true, a proper theory of economics has to just accept that Communist revolution happened in another country purely because you couldn't control it. most of what happens in a Communist revolution isn't engineered by Stalin or Mao, so it's undetermined, right? and that means you can't place rules on whether it will happen or not. I bet you love that outcome. - Unpredictable equals undetermined -> then how does anything
happen??? this man should semi-literally be handed an "F" in physics Surely Marx imagined determinism
/ Surely, Marx's determinism (dialectical materialism; existential materialism; upreductionism; narrative prediction) was an unacceptable assumption / This determination to have the complete, closed story, or model, the final word, is something I cannot forgive Marx for; it proved responsible for a great deal of error and, more significantly, authoritarianism (Yanis Varoufakis) / (9k)
Related
Real systems are circular
/ Real-world collections of objects and processes perpetuate themselves and stamp out the possibility of change, and there is no logical contradiction in saying this / (9k) ->
something that seems to have upset Rothenberg yet which under the point of view of traditional dialectical materialism or even a simple introduction of relativistic determinism would be wholly unobjectionable.
- initial bourgeois class rule / molecular scale bourgeois class rule (meta-Marxism) / bourgeois class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society; Marxism onto Liberal-republicanism) / (9k)
Ideologies or fields
- ES / political agorism
- MX / meta-Marxism