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pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] anime, which is always bad 1-1-1

Core characteristics[edit]

item type: S 1-1-1
pronounced [P] label [string] (L): pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] anime, which is always bad 1-1-1
pronounced [P] alias (mis) [string]: anime, which is bad; anime (said in inherently pejorative tone); tokusatsu films, which are always dumb; Japanese Young Adult media, which are bad; Japanese shows, which are always dumb
pronounced [P] alias (mis) [string]: manga, which are bad
QID references [Item] 1-1-1: Q3330 otaku
color swatch references [Item]: Q3180 stupid idiot garbage trash
field, scope, or group [Item]: United States
sub-case of [Item]: --
case of [Item]: --
super-case of [Item]: --
associated Term [Lexeme]: --

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model combines claims: --

Wavebuilder combinations[edit]

pronounced [P] pronounced Wavebuilder: forms result [Item]

: pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] anime, the trash I love anyway 1-1-1
along with [Item]: pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] anime, which is always bad 1-1-1
forming from [Item]: pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] anime, which is always bad 1-1-1; media literacy; pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] anime, the trash I love anyway 1-1-1

Usage notes[edit]

As much as this has similarities to the "stupid idiot garbage trash" motifs, they represent different degrees of the same thing; this motif is a much more surface-level, less-intense kind of rejection. The "stupid idiot garbage trash" motifs are meant to suggest something that is fundamentally not tolerated and pushed away from some corner of society every time, while "anime, which is bad" is meant to apply to things that are about halfway tolerated and halfway rejected, often in strange ways. In some cases, "anime" is accepted precisely inside the social understanding that Japanese media are lesser than United States media if one can at all notice a distinction between the two, or exoticized as if other countries must perform a particular cultural identity to be accepted as adding something to another society. At other times the original context of a work is actually understood, only to then degrade the work for reasons unrelated to where it came from, such as for being a piece of Young Adult fiction, being a highschool drama, including giant monsters, or being part of some particular "unappealing" category of genre fiction.

Note that audiences degrading a work for objectifying women or girls does not count within this motif. This motif is only for "kid-friendly" reasons people reject anime and manga; "anime, which is for perverts" is a different motif entirely. However, this motif could apply to manga if everything is the same except the work is a printed book.

Wavebuilder combinations[edit]

"Media literacy" is used in the context of viewing any piece of media in the full context of its genre, level of skill, and originating population or countable Culture if relevant. "Yes, Dragon Ball is dumb, but its ultimate purpose is to comment on Journey to the West." "Yes, Teen Titans is a shoddy copy of Japanese animation styles, but that is not relevant to discussing the themes and character arcs that would make someone want to watch it."

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-<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_nations manual" data-dimension="S" data-qid="3331" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IS1}}{{#if: {{{1|}}} | [[Ontology:Q3331|{{{1}}}]] | [[Ontology:Q3331|anime, which is always bad]] }}{{WaveScore|sum=1|quilt=1|ply=1}}{{#if: {{{2|}}} | <ins class="edition-sense"> ([[Ontology:Q3328/{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]]<nowiki />)</ins> | <ins class="edition-sense"></ins> }}</dfn></onlyinclude>
+<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_nations manual" data-dimension="S" data-qid="3331" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IS1}}{{#if: {{{1|}}} | [[Ontology:Q3331|{{{1}}}]] | [[Ontology:Q3331|anime, which is always bad]] }}{{WaveScore|sum=1|quilt=1|ply=1}}{{#if: {{{2|}}} | <ins class="edition-sense"> ([[Ontology:Q3328/{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]]<nowiki />)</ins> | <ins class="edition-sense"></ins> }}</dfn></onlyinclude>  <seo title="anime, which is always bad / S1 / Q'33'31" />
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 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:PPPA/L}}|lang=en| {{Ontology:Q3331}} }}
 {{HueClaim|P={{Ontology:PPPA}}|lang=en| anime, which is bad | anime (said in inherently pejorative tone) | tokusatsu films, which are always dumb | Japanese Young Adult media, which are bad | Japanese shows, which are always dumb }}
+{{HueClaim|P={{Ontology:PPPA}}|lang=en| manga, which are bad }}
 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P42}}| Q3330 otaku }}  <!-- en: QID references -->
 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P56}}| Q3180 stupid idiot garbage trash }}  <!-- en: color swatch references -->
+{{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P34}}| United States }}  <!-- en: field, scope, or group -->
 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P3}}| -- }}  <!-- en: sub-case of -->
 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P4}}| -- }}  <!-- en: case of -->
 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P5}}| -- }}  <!-- en: super-case of -->
 {{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P147}}| -- }}  <!-- en: local Lexeme -->
-{{HueRoster|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|prototype]] notes| this almost never goes as far as the "stupid idiot garbage trash" Items are meant to suggest. those are meant to suggest something that is fundamentally not tolerated and pushed away every time, while "anime, which is bad" is meant to apply to things that are about halfway tolerated and halfway rejected }}
 </dl>
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 == Wavebuilder combinations ==
-<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">
+<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">
-{{WaveBuildNone| -- | -- }}  <!-- en: WITH  ??  PRODUCES  ?? -->
+{{WaveBuild| {{Ontology:Q3331}} | media literacy | {{Ontology:Q3332}} }}  <!-- en: WITH  ??  PRODUCES  anime, the trash I love anyway -->
 </dl>
 == Usage notes ==
+As much as this has similarities to the "stupid idiot garbage trash" motifs, they represent different degrees of the same thing; this motif is a much more surface-level, less-intense kind of rejection. The "stupid idiot garbage trash" motifs are meant to suggest something that is fundamentally not tolerated and pushed away from some corner of society every time, while "anime, which is bad" is meant to apply to things that are about halfway tolerated and halfway rejected, often in strange ways. In some cases, "anime" is accepted precisely inside the social understanding that [[Ontology:Q3338|Japanese media are lesser than United States media if one can at all notice a distinction between the two]], or exoticized as if other countries [[redlink - essentialism|must perform a particular cultural identity]] to be accepted as adding something to another society. At other times the [[redlink - from within Japan|original context of a work is actually understood]], only to then degrade the work for reasons unrelated to where it came from, such as for being a piece of Young Adult fiction, being a highschool drama, including giant monsters, or being part of some particular "unappealing" category of genre fiction.
+Note that audiences degrading a work for objectifying women or girls does not count within this motif. This motif is only for "kid-friendly" reasons people reject anime and manga; "anime, which is for perverts" is a different motif entirely. However, this motif could apply to manga if everything is the same except the work is a printed book.
+=== Wavebuilder combinations ===
+* "Media literacy" is used in the context of viewing any piece of media in the full context of its genre, level of skill, and originating population or countable Culture if relevant. "Yes, <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> is dumb, but its ultimate purpose is to comment on <cite>Journey to the West</cite>." "Yes, <cite>Teen Titans</cite> is a shoddy copy of Japanese animation styles, but that is not relevant to discussing the themes and character arcs that would make someone want to watch it."
 [[Category:Otaku subculture ontology]]