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{{HueRoster|EP=P4| intuitively-false fan theory [[Category:Intuitively-false fan theories ontology]] | intuitively-false statement | Steven Universe fan theory | MLP:FiM fan theory [[Category:My Little Pony fan theories (Friendship is Magic)]] }}  <!-- en: instance of -->
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{{HueRoster|EP=P35/TS| Pinkie Pie [[Category:My Little Pony fan theories ontology (Friendship is Magic)]] | Steven Universe [[Category:Steven Universe fan theories ontology]] }}
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=== Components ===
 
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{{HueRoster|P=combines claims| [S2] Pear Butter is distantly related to Applejack }}  <!-- en: QID references -->
{{HueRoster|P=combines claims| [S2] Pinkie Pie is distantly related to Applejack }}  <!-- en: QID references -->
{{HueRoster|P=combines claims| [S2] Pear Butter is gone / Pear Butter is dead }}  <!-- en: QID references -->
{{HueRoster|P=combines claims| [S2] Pinkie Pie has unusual abilities }}  <!-- en: QID references -->
{{HueRoster|P=combines claims| [S2] Lars and Lion function as portals }}  <!-- en: QID references -->
{{HueRoster|P=combines claims| [S2] Pinkie Pie's mane functions as a portal }} <!-- en: QID references -->
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=== Wavebuilder characterizations ===
=== Wavebuilder characterizations ===


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<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three data_urbanfantasy">
{{WaveRoute| Pink Lion | Pinkie Pie | {{E:RoseQuartzRevivedPinkiePie}} }}  <!-- en: FROM  ??  ?? -->
{{WaveRoute| Pink Lion | Pinkie Pie | {{E:RoseQuartzRevivedPinkiePie}} }}  <!-- en: FROM  ??  ?? -->
{{WaveRoute| {{E:Q618/Fy|Rose Quartz healing powers}} | Pinkie Pie | {{E:RoseQuartzRevivedPinkiePie}} }}  <!-- en: FROM  ??  ?? -->
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== Usage notes ==
This off-beat theory is first known to have appeared as a fan comic<ref name="derpy" /><ref name="pear" />, although it is also conceivable multiple people thought of the same idea independently. Thus, it may be worth noting when "evaluating" it that it may originally have been seen as more of an exercise in creativity than a serious attempt to explain the shows.
Within the show <cite>Steven Universe</cite>, Steven and his mother Rose Quartz have been shown to be able to revive dying beings, including Steven's ally or dubious "friend" Lars and a lion cub which would become a kind of sword-carrying fantasy mount. When they come back to life, both of Steven's friends turn pink, taking on the same color palette as Steven's Rose Quartz gem. Meanwhile on the show <cite>My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic</cite>, Pinkie Pie has always been approximately the same color palette as Steven's friends, and showed her own unique kind of magic abilities none of the other Earth Ponies or Unicorn Ponies are capable of, although these are generally unpredictable. Pinkie Pie and Steven's friends share a certain odd overlap in their abilities, including staying positive and hanging on in the middle of a bunch of drab, gray rocks, being seemingly indestructible at times, and being able to use their hair to store things. The final claim added to this theory is that the timeline of Applejack's mother Pear Butter disappearing does not clash with Pinkie Pie showing up later with a similar silhouette, especially if her lifespan has been extended by turning pink.
The biggest contradiction in this theory, interestingly, comes up entirely inside <cite>Friendship is Magic</cite> in the fact Pear Butter is only one generation up from Applejack. Pinkie Pie's parents have been shown in season 1<ref name="s1" />, which would imply that if Pinkie Pie was actually Pear Butter, then Pear Butter would have come from the rock farm. The show does not necessarily contradict this possibility<ref name="cn" />, and there could also be a very limited argument that Pinkie Pie is not a reliable narrator. At the same time, Pinkie Pie has been shown to be good at keeping track of information, and the show has given a relatively complete narrative of <em>Pinkie Pie's</em> life — if Pinkie Pie had abandoned Applejack, she would probably remember it.
With all of this said, this theory is a fantastic prompt for probing epistemological concepts and approaches. People who have watched both shows will intuitively realize this proposition is silly, but beyond intuition, how does anyone actually know this? Imagine some out-of-touch old person who only has a relatively-detailed summary of the two shows, and has possibly seen one or two decades-old fantasy cartoons. How is Grandpa Ralph to know that concepts from <cite>Steven Universe</cite> showing up in <cite>My Little Pony</cite> is impossible? Genre fiction is known to recycle some of the same literary motifs and mechanics, even to the point of mild confusion about where each of them came from. Rarely, a work of fiction may even incorporate parts of an earlier work of fiction as homage, creating deliberate ambiguity over whether a reference means the earlier work is part of the later work. Based on only the content of two works, how does anyone epistemologically decide that two fictional worlds are separate? If <cite>Digimon</cite> takes place on a separate plane from the material world, how do we decide it cannot take place in the same cosmos as <cite>Pokémon</cite>? Without appealing to the separation between authors or corporate owners, the task is not easy.
(unfinished)


== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|Prototype]] notes ==
== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|Prototype]] notes ==


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</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe / Pinkie Pie is actually a non-pink pony revived by Steven Universe  ->  one of the funniest probably-unserious theories I have ever seen. if you were some out-of-touch grapnda who only ever watched one episode of each of these shows you might have a hard time telling whether it's false. a large language model with insufficient data might just see each show as connected to fantasy elements and magic and themed names and tell you it's true. but at the same time, nobody who's actually watched both shows expects somebody to come up with this theory. how we recognize this theory as silly says a whole lot about how we reason. we pick up this completely unspoken intuition watching TV shows that each universe is separate and elements from it don't suddenly exist in other fictional universes. how do we know that? if we weren't allowed to point to corporate owners and copyrights and trademarks and we only had the inner contents of the shows, how do we epistemologically know they're separate? I think the answer tells us a lot about ideologies and whether people will be able to accept new models of how societies work. and not just new Bauplans of mainstream Marxism-Leninism or Kropotkinism or Deng Xiaoping Thought, but fundamentally, inner mental models of things like Menshevism and anti-racism and any change in society whatsoever. but funny enough, I think you begin fixing all that if you get mainstream Marxist-Leninists to coexist with Trotskyists, because the exact same basic difference between inner universes is manifest there.
</li><li class="field_fantasy element_candy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">... might just see each show as connected to fantasy elements and magic and themed names and tell you it's true. ... how we recognize this theory as silly says a whole lot about how we reason. we pick up this completely unspoken intuition watching TV shows that each universe is separate and elements from it don't suddenly exist in other fictional universes. ...  I think the answer tells us a lot about ideologies and whether people will be able to accept new models of how societies work. and not just new Bauplans of mainstream Marxism-Leninism or Kropotkinism or Deng Xiaoping Thought, but fundamentally, inner mental models of things like Menshevism and anti-racism and any change in society whatsoever. but funny enough, I think you begin fixing all that if you get mainstream Marxist-Leninists to coexist with Trotskyists, because the exact same basic difference between inner universes is manifest there.
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== Usage notes ==
== References ==
 
<references>
<ref name="cn">Note: this was a guess from memory. Citation needed</ref>
<ref name="derpy"><cite class="article">MLP:FiM Confession Comic</cite>. dsp2003. (29 June 2017). tumblr. [https://dsp2003.tumblr.com/post/162392706054] [https://derpibooru.org/images/1474338] [https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/886011]</ref>
<ref name="pear"><cite class="article">Pinkie Pie is Pear Butter</cite>. Psyga315. (30 June 2017). [video]. YouTube. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9jR7Q3ynek]</ref>
<ref name="s1"><cite class="article">The Cutie Mark Chronicles</cite>. <cite>My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic</cite> season 1 episode 23. [https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/The_Cutie_Mark_Chronicles]</ref>
</references>

Revision as of 10:19, 22 July 2025

  1. pronounced [S2] Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe (My Little Pony / Steven Universe) 1-1-1

Core characteristics

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pronounced [P] label [string] (L)
pronounced [S2] Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe (My Little Pony / Steven Universe) 1-1-1
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Pinkie Pie is actually a non-pink pony revived by Steven Universe
QID references [Item] 1-1-1
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sub-case of [Item]
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topic or subject [Item] (TS)
Pinkie Pie
Steven Universe

Components

combines claims
[S2] Pear Butter is distantly related to Applejack
combines claims
[S2] Pinkie Pie is distantly related to Applejack
combines claims
[S2] Pear Butter is gone / Pear Butter is dead
combines claims
[S2] Pinkie Pie has unusual abilities
combines claims
[S2] Lars and Lion function as portals
combines claims
[S2] Pinkie Pie's mane functions as a portal

Wavebuilder combinations

pronounced [P] pronounced Wavebuilder: forms result [Item]
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along with [Item]
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forming from [Item]
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Wavebuilder characterizations

pronounced Wavebuilder: route [Item]
pronounced [S2] Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe (My Little Pony / Steven Universe) 1-1-1
along with [Item]
Pink Lion
forming from [Item]
Pink Lion
Pinkie Pie
pronounced [S2] Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe (My Little Pony / Steven Universe) 1-1-1
pronounced Wavebuilder: route [Item]
pronounced [S2] Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe (My Little Pony / Steven Universe) 1-1-1
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Rose Quartz healing powers (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
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Rose Quartz healing powers (proposed; Fy) 1-1-1
Pinkie Pie
pronounced [S2] Pinkie Pie was revived by Steven Universe (My Little Pony / Steven Universe) 1-1-1

Usage notes

This off-beat theory is first known to have appeared as a fan comic[1][2], although it is also conceivable multiple people thought of the same idea independently. Thus, it may be worth noting when "evaluating" it that it may originally have been seen as more of an exercise in creativity than a serious attempt to explain the shows.

Within the show Steven Universe, Steven and his mother Rose Quartz have been shown to be able to revive dying beings, including Steven's ally or dubious "friend" Lars and a lion cub which would become a kind of sword-carrying fantasy mount. When they come back to life, both of Steven's friends turn pink, taking on the same color palette as Steven's Rose Quartz gem. Meanwhile on the show My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Pinkie Pie has always been approximately the same color palette as Steven's friends, and showed her own unique kind of magic abilities none of the other Earth Ponies or Unicorn Ponies are capable of, although these are generally unpredictable. Pinkie Pie and Steven's friends share a certain odd overlap in their abilities, including staying positive and hanging on in the middle of a bunch of drab, gray rocks, being seemingly indestructible at times, and being able to use their hair to store things. The final claim added to this theory is that the timeline of Applejack's mother Pear Butter disappearing does not clash with Pinkie Pie showing up later with a similar silhouette, especially if her lifespan has been extended by turning pink.

The biggest contradiction in this theory, interestingly, comes up entirely inside Friendship is Magic in the fact Pear Butter is only one generation up from Applejack. Pinkie Pie's parents have been shown in season 1[3], which would imply that if Pinkie Pie was actually Pear Butter, then Pear Butter would have come from the rock farm. The show does not necessarily contradict this possibility[4], and there could also be a very limited argument that Pinkie Pie is not a reliable narrator. At the same time, Pinkie Pie has been shown to be good at keeping track of information, and the show has given a relatively complete narrative of Pinkie Pie's life — if Pinkie Pie had abandoned Applejack, she would probably remember it.

With all of this said, this theory is a fantastic prompt for probing epistemological concepts and approaches. People who have watched both shows will intuitively realize this proposition is silly, but beyond intuition, how does anyone actually know this? Imagine some out-of-touch old person who only has a relatively-detailed summary of the two shows, and has possibly seen one or two decades-old fantasy cartoons. How is Grandpa Ralph to know that concepts from Steven Universe showing up in My Little Pony is impossible? Genre fiction is known to recycle some of the same literary motifs and mechanics, even to the point of mild confusion about where each of them came from. Rarely, a work of fiction may even incorporate parts of an earlier work of fiction as homage, creating deliberate ambiguity over whether a reference means the earlier work is part of the later work. Based on only the content of two works, how does anyone epistemologically decide that two fictional worlds are separate? If Digimon takes place on a separate plane from the material world, how do we decide it cannot take place in the same cosmos as Pokémon? Without appealing to the separation between authors or corporate owners, the task is not easy. (unfinished)

Prototype notes

  1. ... might just see each show as connected to fantasy elements and magic and themed names and tell you it's true. ... how we recognize this theory as silly says a whole lot about how we reason. we pick up this completely unspoken intuition watching TV shows that each universe is separate and elements from it don't suddenly exist in other fictional universes. ... I think the answer tells us a lot about ideologies and whether people will be able to accept new models of how societies work. and not just new Bauplans of mainstream Marxism-Leninism or Kropotkinism or Deng Xiaoping Thought, but fundamentally, inner mental models of things like Menshevism and anti-racism and any change in society whatsoever. but funny enough, I think you begin fixing all that if you get mainstream Marxist-Leninists to coexist with Trotskyists, because the exact same basic difference between inner universes is manifest there.

References

  1. MLP:FiM Confession Comic. dsp2003. (29 June 2017). tumblr. [1] [2] [3]
  2. Pinkie Pie is Pear Butter. Psyga315. (30 June 2017). [video]. YouTube. [4]
  3. The Cutie Mark Chronicles. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic season 1 episode 23. [5]
  4. Note: this was a guess from memory. Citation needed