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== Core characteristics == | == Core characteristics == | ||
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</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-remark="vaguely resembles early, crude Marxisms" value="2151" data-dimension="F2">There is no Spanishness Office -> the concept that culture cannot be changed through any deliberate effort, even by most movements. one could believe there is no Spanishness Office because culture is defined by the borders between populations, or because culture is produced through deterministic factors that individual will can't successfully pilot without a thorough science of society, or for any other number of reasons. | </li><li class="field_trotsky" data-remark="vaguely resembles early, crude Marxisms" value="2151" data-dimension="F2">There is no Spanishness Office -> the concept that culture cannot be changed through any deliberate effort, even by most movements. one could believe there is no Spanishness Office because culture is defined by the borders between populations, or because culture is produced through deterministic factors that individual will can't successfully pilot without a thorough science of society, or for any other number of reasons. | ||
</li><li class="field_mdem" value="2152" data-dimension="S2">There are ten million Spanishness Offices -> the claim that every time the motif of The Spanishness Office shows up, this is what it is bisimilar to: a bunch of free-floating corporations or institutions which may be conflated with the will of a particular owner, or a Tory Social-Philosophical System that has occupied a free-floating charity, each time raising the problem that the institution has its own "individual will" separate from society which is resistant to Liberal-republican "democracy" and resistant to almost everything. the problem isn't in asserting that there are Spanishness Offices, though there is a serious problem when people think controlling them is as simple as taking over just one when there are closer to ten million they might not successfully secure with perhaps some five million left over and wildly doing their own thing. | </li><li class="field_mdem" value="2152" data-dimension="S2">There are ten million Spanishness Offices -> the claim that every time the motif of The Spanishness Office shows up, this is what it is bisimilar to: a bunch of free-floating corporations or institutions which may be conflated with the will of a particular owner, or a Tory Social-Philosophical System that has occupied a free-floating charity, each time raising the problem that the institution has its own "individual will" separate from society which is resistant to Liberal-republican "democracy" and resistant to almost everything. the problem isn't in asserting that there are Spanishness Offices, though there is a serious problem when people think controlling them is as simple as taking over just one when there are closer to ten million they might not successfully secure with perhaps some five million left over and wildly doing their own thing. | ||
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== Usage notes == | == Usage notes == | ||
This claim follows from various vague recurring motifs in [[E:Western Marxism|Western Marxism]] and [[E:anarchism|anarchism]] known informally in <cite>MDem</cite> 4.4 drafts as "[[E:The Spanishness Office|The Spanishness Office]]". A Spanishness Office is a hypothetical, imagined structure in which all the people of a population would come together to determine what its inherent essence would be — a central or prominent bureau which rules every week on what Spanish people will and won't be and what is and isn't Spanish. The corollary to the hypothetical existence of a Spanishness Office is the hypothetical process of the people of a population <em>taking over</em> the Spanishness Office to force the entire cultural population of people linked by Spanishness to not do atrocious things and halt the invasion of the Spanishness Office by fascist concepts or factions — a situation which might be termed "Franco's Spanishness Office". | |||
This is the general claim that nothing similar to a Spanishness Office exists in real life. There may be several different reasonings given for why <i>there is no Spanishness Office</i>, including: | |||
* Culture cannot be changed through any deliberate effort to force a population of people to be or not be a particular concept of culture, although it can conceivably be changed by changing the underlying layer of social or economic structures including proletarian organizations, layouts of businesses, and gaps between groups of socially-linked people in general (the [[E:shovel dream|basic]] layer of society below emergent cultural processes) | |||
* Culture is too often approached with [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ontology|Existentialist]] theories of how "subjectivity" ([[E:free will]]) | |||
Revision as of 08:06, 27 July 2025
- pronounced [MX] There is no Spanishness Office 1-1-1
Core characteristics
- pronounced [P] label [string] (L)
- pronounced [MX] There is no Spanishness Office 1-1-1
- E:ThereIsNoSpanishnessOffice
- pronounced [P] alias (mis) [string]
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- QID references [Item] 1-1-1
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- rejected meta-Marxist hypothesis
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Components
- model combines claims
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Use in thesis portals
- appears in work [Item]
- MDem 4.4/4064 democulture
Wavebuilder combinations
- pronounced [P] pronounced Wavebuilder: forms result [Item]
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Prototype notes
- There is no Spanishness Office -> the concept that culture cannot be changed through any deliberate effort, even by most movements. one could believe there is no Spanishness Office because culture is defined by the borders between populations, or because culture is produced through deterministic factors that individual will can't successfully pilot without a thorough science of society, or for any other number of reasons.
- There are ten million Spanishness Offices -> the claim that every time the motif of The Spanishness Office shows up, this is what it is bisimilar to: a bunch of free-floating corporations or institutions which may be conflated with the will of a particular owner, or a Tory Social-Philosophical System that has occupied a free-floating charity, each time raising the problem that the institution has its own "individual will" separate from society which is resistant to Liberal-republican "democracy" and resistant to almost everything. the problem isn't in asserting that there are Spanishness Offices, though there is a serious problem when people think controlling them is as simple as taking over just one when there are closer to ten million they might not successfully secure with perhaps some five million left over and wildly doing their own thing.
Usage notes
This claim follows from various vague recurring motifs in Western Marxism and anarchism known informally in MDem 4.4 drafts as "The Spanishness Office". A Spanishness Office is a hypothetical, imagined structure in which all the people of a population would come together to determine what its inherent essence would be — a central or prominent bureau which rules every week on what Spanish people will and won't be and what is and isn't Spanish. The corollary to the hypothetical existence of a Spanishness Office is the hypothetical process of the people of a population taking over the Spanishness Office to force the entire cultural population of people linked by Spanishness to not do atrocious things and halt the invasion of the Spanishness Office by fascist concepts or factions — a situation which might be termed "Franco's Spanishness Office".
This is the general claim that nothing similar to a Spanishness Office exists in real life. There may be several different reasonings given for why there is no Spanishness Office, including:
- Culture cannot be changed through any deliberate effort to force a population of people to be or not be a particular concept of culture, although it can conceivably be changed by changing the underlying layer of social or economic structures including proletarian organizations, layouts of businesses, and gaps between groups of socially-linked people in general (the basic layer of society below emergent cultural processes)
- Culture is too often approached with Existentialist theories of how "subjectivity" (E:free will)