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  1. The Excessive Subject: A new theory of social change (Rothenberg 2010)

You can't predict the economy!

  1. Unpredictable equals undetermined / A proper economic theory must respect the idea that the rules of the undetermined are themselves undetermined (Yanis Varoufakis) / Scientific knowledge of the workings of the capitalist economy and the development of a practice based on that knowledge are impossible (WSWS onto Varoufakis) [1] -> shut the pronounced censored up rothenberg. I know you're not Rothenberg but that's your name now if you go around saying stuff like that.
    ok, on the bright side though, if this is true, a proper theory of economics has to just accept that Communist revolution happened in another country purely because you couldn't control it. most of what happens in a Communist revolution isn't engineered by Stalin or Mao, so it's undetermined, right? and that means you can't place rules on whether it will happen or not. I bet you love that outcome.
  2. Unpredictable equals undetermined -> then how does anything pronounced censored happen??? this man should semi-literally be handed an "F" in physics
  3. Surely Marx imagined determinism

    / Surely, Marx's determinism (dialectical materialism; existential materialism; upreductionism; narrative prediction) was an unacceptable assumption / This determination to have the complete, closed story, or model, the final word, is something I cannot forgive Marx for; it proved responsible for a great deal of error and, more significantly, authoritarianism (Yanis Varoufakis) / (9k)

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  1. Real systems are circular

    / Real-world collections of objects and processes perpetuate themselves and stamp out the possibility of change, and there is no logical contradiction in saying this / (9k) ->

    something that seems to have upset Rothenberg yet which under the point of view of traditional dialectical materialism or even a simple introduction of relativistic determinism would be wholly unobjectionable.

  2. initial bourgeois class rule / molecular scale bourgeois class rule (meta-Marxism) / bourgeois class rule (happening at small scales as part of civil society; Marxism onto Liberal-republicanism) / (9k)

Ideologies or fields

  • ES / political agorism
  • MX / meta-Marxism