Ontology:Q30,63
- pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist 1-1-1
Core characteristics[edit]
- pronounced [P] label [string] (L)
- pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist 1-1-1
- E:MedicineCatsUnreal
- pronounced [P] alias (en) [string]
- Warrior cats is so unbelievable, I mean, medicine men don't even exist [1]
- Native American erasure (motif interpreted from Warriors; motif in reviews of fiction)
- QID references [Item] 1-1-1
- Q30,60
- color swatch references [Item]
- marginalization
- sub-case of [Item]
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- case of [Item]
- [S0] assertion that traits fitting a demographic identity are not real
- super-case of [Item]
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- prototype notes
- the motif of somebody failing to even recognize that a fantasy book is based on an older form of society and proceeding to bash real-world people-groups for bad worldbuilding. it's like there are at least two levels of racism. one is where you know Native Americans exist and you don't like them, or you put "interesting" people-groups on some kind of pedestal like more than being people they resemble some kind of reality TV show that you can attach fake rules and interpretations to. one is where you don't even know they exist and act like they're totally made up. this distinction seems to exist for all demographic identities.
Wavebuilder combinations[edit]
- pronounced [P] pronounced Wavebuilder: forms result [Item]
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- along with [Item]
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Wavebuilder characterizations[edit]
- pronounced Wavebuilder: route [Item]
- pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist 1-1-1
- along with [Item]
- [S0] assertion that traits fitting a demographic identity are not real
- forming from [Item]
- [S0] assertion that traits fitting a demographic identity are not real
- medicine man (proposed; ES) 1-1-1
- pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist 1-1-1
- pronounced Wavebuilder: route [Item]
- pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist 1-1-1
- along with [Item]
- [S0] assertion that traits fitting a demographic identity are not real
- forming from [Item]
- [S0] assertion that traits fitting a demographic identity are not real
- [S] medicine cat
- pronounced S–617 pronounced [S] medicine cat? medicine men don't even exist 1-1-1
Prototype notes (2)[edit]
Clans in Warriors are loosely based on Native Americans. I just read a biography where I think it was the Lakota Sioux that had a medicine man, and he was largely a religious leader who would connect people to this local polytheistic god and give people general advice; they would sit down at a big dinner and the medicine man leads everyone in prayer almost like Christians would do. The aspect of small tribal populations fighting each other also matches. The different Plains tribes occasionally got into wars with each other and held changing territories, although this doesn't sound like it happened often to the "every year" extent it does in Warriors. I would expect there is something similar going on with the clan gathering, that it's meant to represent some kind of international diplomacy between separate tribes even though they have had wars, although I don't have any historical information on that actually happening in real life so you'd have to look that up yourselves.
This opens a very messy can of worms when criticizing this series' worldbuilding. You have to ask yourself: A) Did Warriors create a reasonably accurate fictional version of Plains Indians? B) Is it reasonable to compare cats to Plains Indians in the first place? C) Does the partial secularization of the book for children and mass production reasonably explain changes such as medicine cats just literally being doctors? D) Is it reasonable to expect cats that act like humans would do things that humans do simpler than the humans that do them do them? Is it insulting to imaginary cats to say they aren't as smart as humans? Is it insulting to humans? E) Are books like this meant to humanize Native Americans by taking every aspect of their society out of context so people won't resist learning something? If so, why didn't it work at the time of this podcast, leading the podcast to bash all of that? F) Was it a fundamentally bad idea for the Erins to try to educate people on this with the amount of knowledge they had? Would the books have come out more or less bigoted if they'd been intentionally based on European tribes? G) How many non-fiction books do I have to read to figure out whether Warriors created a reasonable fictional version of Plains Indians or bastardized the whole idea or whether I'm the one that doesn't get it?