Ontology:Q4999: Difference between revisions
copy or update fake Item from Q4991 |
Usage notes |
||
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound"><li> | {{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound"><li value="4999"> | ||
<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_ML manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid=" | <onlyinclude><dfn class="field_ML manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="49,99" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}{{#if: {{{1|}}} | [[Ontology:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] | [[Ontology:Q4999|Liberalism is over]] }}{{WaveScore|sum=1|quilt=1|ply=1}}</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__ | ||
</li></ol><!-- change summary template: copy or update fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN|Q4999]] --> | </li></ol><!-- change summary template: copy or update fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN|Q4999]] --> | ||
== | == Core characteristics == | ||
<dl class="wikitable hue"> | <dl class="wikitable hue"> | ||
{{HueClaim|P=item type| {{Template:S2}} }} | {{HueClaim|P=item type| {{Template:S2}} }} | ||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L| {{E:Q4999}} }} | ||
{{HueClaim| | {{HueClaim |EP=PPPA| Liberalism doesn't work | Liberal capitalism doesn't work | The Soviet Union will lower the United States into its grave ([https://www.rbth.com/history/334638-we-will-bury-you-khrushchev remark by Khruschev] on the durability of capitalism) }} | ||
{{HueRoster|EP=P42| {{E:Q4991}} | {{E:Q3091}} }} <!-- en: QID references --> | |||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=P56| {{E:Q618/ML|mainstream Marxism-Leninism}} }} <!-- en: color swatch references --> | ||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=P3| -- }} <!-- en: super-case of --> | ||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=P4| -- }} <!-- en: case of --> | ||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=P5| -- }} <!-- en: sub-case of --> | ||
{{HueRoster| | |||
{{HueClaim|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|prototype]] notes| fun. cathartic. as time goes on, bizarrely not true. why not? that's the question of the century }} | {{HueClaim|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|prototype]] notes| fun. cathartic. as time goes on, bizarrely not true. why not? that's the question of the century }} | ||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=P6| -- }} <!-- en: consists of components --> | ||
</dl> | </dl> | ||
| Line 24: | Line 21: | ||
<dl class="wikitable hue"> | <dl class="wikitable hue"> | ||
{{HueRoster| | {{HueRoster|EP=P14| -- }} <!-- en: appears in work --> | ||
</dl> | </dl> | ||
== Wavebuilder combinations == | == Wavebuilder combinations == | ||
<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild"> | <dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three"> | ||
{{WaveBuild| All countries will break out of capitalism at once | {{ | {{WaveBuild| {{E:Q4999}} | {{E:Q618/IV|All countries will break out of capitalism at once}} | {{E:Q4104}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism --> | ||
{{WaveBuild| All countries will transition to socialism-in-one-country | mainstream Marxism-Leninism }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES ?? --> | {{WaveBuild| {{E:Q4999}} | {{E:Q618/ML|All countries will transition to socialism-in-one-country}} | {{E:Q618/ML|mainstream Marxism-Leninism}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES ?? --> | ||
</dl><!-- | </dl><!-- | ||
| Line 41: | Line 38: | ||
== Usage notes == | == Usage notes == | ||
This is the claim that countries based on Liberal capitalism are in some way hurtling down a process toward their end, after which either Liberal-republicanism or capitalism will be replaced with some other form of structure which unites people into a republic. This is a rather prosaic claim. Many center-Liberal sources will attempt to frame this claim as somehow inherently violent or warlike, as if merely saying that Liberal-republicanism has an end means that everyone in Massachusetts intends to go shoot everyone in Connecticut. In reality, the claim that Liberal-republicanism has an end is generally paired with some stated or implied claim that the end of Liberal-republicanism will simply be the beginning of another similar kind of republic, which will perform the same regulatory functions for society as Liberal-republicanism or [[Ontology:Leviathan|monarchy]]. In the eras of Hegel and Hobbes, each believed on some level that there was no good way of connecting people into a population other than monarchy, but this has already been shown to be incorrect with the rise of parliaments and Liberal-republicanism. This should cast doubt on the claim that Liberal-republicanism can never be replaced. | |||
In Marxist texts, this claim is tied to the claim that the great majority of people will separate out into a proletarian-ally subpopulation and construct a [[redlink|soviet socialist republic]] tied together by a [[Term:central party-nation|central party-nation]]. After the publication of the works of Marx and Lenin, this process occurred multiple times across the Third World. Taken only in the context of any particular country, this claim could be termed correct, at least inasmuch as any particular country does not transition backward to Liberal-republicanism. At the same time, there is a problem with applying this claim in the context of the whole world. At the time of the Cold War, the general pattern was for countries to either become <i>capable of being neutral</i> to the Communist bloc or <i>incapable of being neutral</i> to Communism. In the latter case, country populations could respond with outright xenophobia and dehumanization to any threat of splitting the Liberal-republican population; if no Communist or anarchist is to be regarded as a functioning adult or part of the same people-group, how can they claim any attempt to create a workers' state out of a particular population is a justified revolution? | |||
(incomplete) | |||
[[Category:Anti-bourgeois propositions ontology]] | [[Category:Anti-bourgeois propositions ontology]] [[Category:Pages serving as post-language examples]] | ||
Latest revision as of 12:19, 20 July 2025
- pronounced [F2] Liberalism is over 1-1-1
Core characteristics[edit]
- item type
- S2 (pronounced C) 1-1-1
- pronounced [P] alias (mis) [string]
- Liberalism doesn't work
- Liberal capitalism doesn't work
- The Soviet Union will lower the United States into its grave (remark by Khruschev on the durability of capitalism)
- QID references [Item] 1-1-1
- pronounced [S2] Trotskyism is over 1-1-1
- pronounced [S2] Bolshevism is over 1-1-1
- sub-case of [Item]
- --
- case of [Item]
- --
- super-case of [Item]
- --
- prototype notes
- fun. cathartic. as time goes on, bizarrely not true. why not? that's the question of the century
- consists of components [Item]
- --
Appearances[edit]
- appears in work [Item]
- --
Wavebuilder combinations[edit]
- pronounced [P] pronounced Wavebuilder: forms result [Item]
- pronounced Z–617 pronounced [IV] [Z] Trotskyism (top-level category) 1-1-1
- along with [Item]
- pronounced [F2] Liberalism is over 1-1-1
- forming from [Item]
- pronounced [F2] Liberalism is over 1-1-1
- All countries will break out of capitalism at once (proposed; IV) 1-1-1
- pronounced Z–617 pronounced [IV] [Z] Trotskyism (top-level category) 1-1-1
- pronounced [P] pronounced Wavebuilder: forms result [Item]
- mainstream Marxism-Leninism (proposed; ML) 1-1-1
- along with [Item]
- pronounced [F2] Liberalism is over 1-1-1
Usage notes[edit]
This is the claim that countries based on Liberal capitalism are in some way hurtling down a process toward their end, after which either Liberal-republicanism or capitalism will be replaced with some other form of structure which unites people into a republic. This is a rather prosaic claim. Many center-Liberal sources will attempt to frame this claim as somehow inherently violent or warlike, as if merely saying that Liberal-republicanism has an end means that everyone in Massachusetts intends to go shoot everyone in Connecticut. In reality, the claim that Liberal-republicanism has an end is generally paired with some stated or implied claim that the end of Liberal-republicanism will simply be the beginning of another similar kind of republic, which will perform the same regulatory functions for society as Liberal-republicanism or monarchy. In the eras of Hegel and Hobbes, each believed on some level that there was no good way of connecting people into a population other than monarchy, but this has already been shown to be incorrect with the rise of parliaments and Liberal-republicanism. This should cast doubt on the claim that Liberal-republicanism can never be replaced.
In Marxist texts, this claim is tied to the claim that the great majority of people will separate out into a proletarian-ally subpopulation and construct a soviet socialist republic tied together by a central party-nation. After the publication of the works of Marx and Lenin, this process occurred multiple times across the Third World. Taken only in the context of any particular country, this claim could be termed correct, at least inasmuch as any particular country does not transition backward to Liberal-republicanism. At the same time, there is a problem with applying this claim in the context of the whole world. At the time of the Cold War, the general pattern was for countries to either become capable of being neutral to the Communist bloc or incapable of being neutral to Communism. In the latter case, country populations could respond with outright xenophobia and dehumanization to any threat of splitting the Liberal-republican population; if no Communist or anarchist is to be regarded as a functioning adult or part of the same people-group, how can they claim any attempt to create a workers' state out of a particular population is a justified revolution?
(incomplete)